cloudy and still balancing metals

[mrszaff]

thank you, the water is clear today. I can see the drain! I now have to remove the metal stain on the liner, I will follow the process posted thanks!

[CarlD]

I'm not the metal expert either but if you add a large amount of bleach and your pool does NOT turn green or some other color, but, instead, reacts as we normally expect with an algae bloom, you probably don't have serious metal problem.

When you do have a metal problem the metal remover first must dissolve and suspend the metal before you can raise your FC level--or it goes jello-green.

Have you posted the results of metal tests here? If you haven't done the tests, the local pool store can probably do that...they'll try to sell you stuff, including useless calcium for your VINYL pool--but you don't have to buy it.

[mrszaff]

pool store wont test for metal , but I just added polyquat to prevent algae and ascorbic acid and the stain lifted. I put the sequestering agent in next with culator bags and skim socks in baskets. Then, my chlorine dropped to almost nothing so i will adjust it and ph levels tomorrow after ascorbic acid is dissolved, that is how I understand the directions posted in the sticky about removing stains with ascorbic acid. Please let me know if that's ok... This has been an issue for the last few years, perhaps I should drain the pool at the end of the season, but I dont know where the metal comes from. We are not on well water...

Is it safe to swim or should we wait till tomorrow?

PS After adding sequestering agent and running filer for 30 min the water is cloudy, is that from the ascorbic acid or metal free sequestering agent? it was fine all morning when I had it on circulate,now its cloudy.

[mrszaff]

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/009...g?v=1383262547
natural chemistry metal free
This is the product I used after the ascorbic acid. I can't believe I finally cleared the water with shock and got rid of the stain and now its cloudy again! No CL left in pool and ph is low, I will run test i morning but with the strips it looks lower than 7

[PoolDoc]

Metal Free is a bogus product, based on citric acid. You could call citric acid "Chlorine-Free" since it destroys chlorine and is destroyed by it. It's a low grade version of ascorbic acid. Ascorbic acid is ALSO incompatible with chlorine, which is why our guides have you dechlorinate and use polyquat FIRST.

Why in the world did you put Metal Free in? Pour any you have left down the toilet and flush it away!

Turn your pump on 24/7, get your chlorine back up to at least 10% of your CYA level, and use the polyquat if you have any remaining trace of algae. Polyquat will ALSO use up some chlorine -- but it is transformed into another form that STILL helps with algae.

Get your pool back to algae free and correctly adjusted with respect to chlorine, pH and alkalinity. Keep your pH at the low end of the range.

Then, see if any stains have returned. Unfortunately, it often takes several cycles to actually REMOVE the metals from your pool. Stain removers like ascorbic acid just MOVE the metals from the pool surface back into the water. You STILL have to get the metal OUT of the water. The CuLator packs do that, but only slowly.

[mrszaff]

Polyquat was used first, then ascorbic acid, then liquid metal free, doesn't say anything about citric acid on the bottle. I Thought it was the same as metal magic sequestering agent. Is that why the pool went cloudy?
pump has been on 24/7 for a week.

here are my numbers
FC 0
cc 0
PH 6.8
ALK 50
CYA 55

I just added 1 gallon Clorox concentrated bleach 8.25% concentration and a cup of borax

pool is not green just hazy and blue, can't see drain yet I will get more bleach when stores open....THANKS!!!

[PoolDoc]

Yes, the pool companies try to hide ingredients, so they can make it seem like THEIR product is special.

And, yes, there's a fair chance that the Metal Free is the source of your current problem. Get your chlorine up ASAP.