When to admit defeat and start over?

[PoolDoc]

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New filter cartridges will help, but a bigger pump by itself will not. If you want to improve filtration, but a pump + filter like this:

Intex Sand Filter Pump 2900 Gallons (GPH)

But, for $47, I'd absolutely start over . . . even if you get the new pump. It's hard to clean up algae, and harder to clean up chemical hobo soup, which it sounds like you have.

Good luck!

[SpacemanSpiff]

Thanks all.
After some deliberation [and laziness on my part] we've decided to try and fix this rather than starting over.

The green is gone, but it is now milky, and we can no longer see the squares pattern on the bottom.
We can see about a 2' dia pile of something dusty looking [dead algae?] in the center.
We currently only have a 3-way test kit, but can get the water tested tomorrow at a pool store.
As of right now we have:
CL ~ 10 [using distilled water method]
pH ~ 7.7
BM ~ 22

Over the last several weeks we've added:
2½ 1# pkgs of Aquachem Shock and Shock + [we can't remember the exact combination]
1 box of Baking Soda [which I can't recall why]
2 boxes of Borax
2 gal Walmart's Finest Liquid Bleach
a few handfuls of 1" chlorine tablets in a floating duck [he wanted to help ]
2 loads of 1" cl tabs in the top ½ of the filter. [OEM Intex pump/type a/c filter. mdl # avail on request]

The only things added in the last 4-5 days was 1g of bleach as we still saw some algae and the cl had fallen to 0, and 1 box Borax this afternoon to get the pH up.
The CL has been over 10 since we added the bleach, but it's coming down little by little.
We take the cover off for several hours each day to burn off the excess CL.

The questions on the floor:
Are we on the right track?
What is our next step?
With CL@10 and pH@7.7, can we swim even though it's milky? It's way hot here [90+ every day] and the pool would be nice.
It's just two adults.

Thanks again!

[Watermom]

There is one really critical testing result that is needed or we are not really going to be able to help and that is a CYA reading. Without knowing that, we can't know how high you should be keeping your chlorine.

The test kit that we recommend is the Taylor K2006 or 2006C (better buy). But, it is not available locally. You can get it through this link, though. http://pool9.net/tk/

But, in the meantime, go to Walmart and see if they have the HTH 6-Way drops-based kit (no test strips!) That kit does have a test for CYA.

(As far as laziness on your part, fixing this is actually going to be WAY harder than dumping it and starting over.)

Edit-- What is BM 22?

[SpacemanSpiff]

Ok, we're back from the pool store.
Our numbers are as follows:

FC = 12.05
TC > 15.66 [Their machine limit]
CC = 3.61
pH = 7.8
Hardness = 36
Alk = 104.3
CYA = 29
Copper = 0.1
Iron = 0.2
Borate = 24

Our Walmart is out of the 6-way kit, so a Taylor K2006 is on its way.
BM = 22 was a typo for BR, Borate. Sorry. [M and R are so close on the keyboard... ]

The pool store computer recommendation was to add:

7.5oz of pH Minus
10lb, 4oz Calcium Plus for the hardness
7.2oz Aquabrite Super Shock to bring down the TC
4oz Stabilizer

Talking to the pool store guy, he was basically, "just leave it alone. Don't add anything until the CC gets down around normal [from sun burn off/swimming], and then add Stabilizer.
He said the milkiness should go away in several days or so, and that, while not pretty, was nothing to stop swimming.

Does all this sound about right?

[Watermom]

Does all this sound about right?

Uhh, no.

We can tell from looking at your numbers that they are bogus. There is no testing that can give you reading to the nearest hundredth (two decimal positions). They do that to make it look so official but basically, it is meaningless for the most part. Then, they recommend that you add calcium to a vinyl pool. Why? Vinyl pools don't even need calcium.

Your pH and TA are fine. Leave them alone. Until you get your K2006 and can test yourself so we will really know what your numbers are, just try to maintain chlorine at about 15ppm. You can use the color chart at this link to help you estimate what 15ppm will look like on your tester since it will actually only read to 5ppm. http://pool9.net/oto-chart/
For reference, in your pool, each quart of 8.25% bleach will add about 3ppm of chlorine. Run the pump 24/7 and clean your filter as needed.

You do probably need more stabilizer but how much depends on what your reading is when you test it yourself. 4 oz. of stabilizer will only add about 5ppm of CYA to your pool. Assuming that your CYA is 29, which I doubt, then that would only put you at about 34 which is still too low. Wait to add any for now.

Once the kit arrives, test and post your numbers and someone here will help you decide what to do at that point.

[CarlD]

One thing to add is that if your FC number is correct, your TRUE pH is probably lower than 7.8, which is good. Watermom has it nailed.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Greetings all.
Our Unicel filters and Taylor K-2006 test kit arrived the other day.
I replaced the filter immediately. Didn't have a chance to test until now.

FC = 3.0
CC = .4
pH = 7.1
CYA = ~38

Note: We feel the CYA test is pretty subjective and depends a lot on incident light.
But we agreed it was around 38 when the black dot "disappeared".
We'll gladly accept hints for performing this test.

We haven't added any chemicals since my last post.
The water is still cloudy, but we can now see the squares pattern on the bottom.

Now what?

Um, just re-read Watermom's post about keeping FC ~15.
We failed.