small algae blooms

[392papa]

Ben, thanks for your help I do have a couple of questions though.....1)the pool store is trying to sell me chemicals to lower phosphates,,,, unless i misunderstood what i've read hear I thought those were a gimmick.
2) I do not understand borates ,,,,I thought that was just another term for alkalinity. 3) per the best guess chlorine chart should I go to 25 PPM?


Thanks Papa

[392papa]

just checked my log I noticed my test kit is almost exactly 1 yr old. I have kept it inside @~70F. Is there a chance my chemical are bad? Is there a good way to check them?

Thanks PAPA

[PoolDoc]

Phosphate removers are a gimmick, in several ways:
1. They are sold to everyone, even when they have obvious worse problems -- like low chlorine -- that aren't addressed.
2. Phosphate removers are sold together with phosphate INCREASERS, like most metal treatment products.
3. They are sold as a solution, when at best, they are an 'aid'.
4. They are sold without mentioning the problems they cause, like cloudy pools.

Like most high-margin supplementary products that are occasionally needed or at least helpful, pool stores seem to sell them because it's profitable to do so, not because they are 'worth it' for most people.

But, the products DO remove phosphates, and if you get phosphate levels low enough and keep them there, a pool's susceptibility to algae WILL be reduced.

With high CYA pools, dealing with mustard algae can be difficult, because chlorine levels up to 60 ppm can be required. This is not impossible, but it complicates things, and it's better avoided if possible. I mentioned borates as a preferred 'aid' because it's long lasting, and has no negative side-effects*. But we don't have a lot of data on how effective either borates or phosphate removers are, and if you (a) don't have a lot of phosphates in your fill water and (b) can stay away from metal treatment products and (c) pool store goop, it should not take much, to lower your phosphate levels and keep them low.



*There is some data that suggests it's possible that if (a) you have male dogs used for breeding purposes, (b) who regularly drink from the pool, that (c) the fertility of these dogs will be reduced. That applied to one member of the Pool Forum support team, who used to post here frequently.

[Watermom]

To address another of your questions ---- a pool kit that is one year old and has been kept in the house should be just fine. I have several kits older than that and I am still using them. The first thing that will usually go bad is the FAS-DPD powder but it will be obvious when it does.

[392papa]

Thanks for your advice everyone!!!

[392papa]

Not really a question ,,,just an observation for discussion if anyone is interested:

I got home today , the pool is clear,,no blooms. Threw the auto robot in to mix things up and tested the chlorine(added last night per pool docs advice..thank you). FC-11.5 CC- 0. everything is cool.


Saw the neighbor(engineer smart guy-handyman does it all) out and asked him how his pool was doing,,,,great he said. I just load the tri-clor feeder every week and throw a lil PH up in it every now and then no prob......Mind if I check you water with my new test kit? I ask him. His results were,,,,FC-2.5 CC-0 PH < 7(unreadable) TA? ( turned red with just the R007+008) CYA wayyyyyyyy over 100 couldnt see the dot and the water level was only about 1/2 way to 100.

We both have the same city water for fill.....the only difference is he has one of those cleaners that works off a separate pump and the tail swishes things around(polaris?) makes me wonder if the real secret to keeping pool water clean isn't just keeping the walls clean and things mixed up. I did walk around his pool and saw 1 small algae bloom(<10"sq). I did get an electric polaris robot last year and i use it at least once a week. Seems OK though it was expensive.

Would love to anyones view that would like to make a comment.

Thanks again....PAPA

[PoolDoc]

We both have the same city water for fill.....the only difference is he has one of those cleaners that works off a separate pump and the tail swishes things around(polaris?) makes me wonder if the real secret to keeping pool water clean isn't just keeping the walls clean and things mixed up.

You're probably describing a Polaris pool cleaner. And yes, those are very effective in controlling mustard algae -- and probably, most other types of algae.

The reason is simple.

Almost all algae begins, not as free floating particles, but as a biofilm. Biofilms are nature's way for bacteria, fungi and algae to get a foot hold, where none exists. They are enormously complex -- the top of lots of new PhD theses -- but are fairly simple in basic construction.

They consist of a slime layer, that allows food and needed gases in, and keeps bad chemicals (chlorine) and predators out, covering a community of various bacteria, fungi and algae living symbiotically . . . and even talking to each other (really! biofilm signaling is a very hot topic currently in microbiological research!).

Sweeping, brushing, wiping break the slime layer and expose the organisms. When you brush your teeth, you are using detergent enhanced brushing to remove a biofilm that accumulates on your teeth. The bacteria that cause cavities can't function well, without a biofilm's protection. Likewise, the community that makes up mustard algae can't function well, unless it's under a biofilm.

BUT . . . the biofilm associate with mustard algae is far, far more fragile than the biofilm associated with, say, black algae.

Thus, a cleaner like a Polaris, which operates daily, prevents mustard algae from ever getting a good start. The "1 small algae bloom" you saw in your neighbor's pool is probably a spot his Polaris usually misses.

SO . . . a pool with a Polaris can control algae with significantly lower levels of chlorine, than a pool without a cleaner.

Daily brushing will accomplish the same thing, but few people brush daily, or even, weekly.

[392papa]

Lesson learned , I will be getting the brush out more often....Thanks Ben!!