Need help with metal remover products

[JimK]

Darn it. I was trying to pick things that had definite ingredients, and would ship quickly. But apparently this warm winter and spring has played havoc on some inventories. Anyhow here's an alternative:
Jacks Magic The Pink Stuff 1qt (60% HEDP)
It is 60%, instead of 20% (GOOD!), and does not ship directly from Amazon (BAD!), but it should ship faster than the *new* Amazon shipping schedule.

The problem with many of the other products is that the are things like sodium citrate (not chlorine compatible!) or EDTA (barely chlorine compatible). There are more products out there with HEDP, but it's hard to identify them.

If it's not inappropriate (Ben, please delete this if so), I've always received a good deal and great service from poolgeek.com for Jack's Magic products and the polyquat I use.

Using HEDP regularly increases chlorine demand slightly, but the phosphonates break down to plain old phosphates, which encourage algae.

When I started using the product, I asked about the phosphate issue and was told it didn't increase "orthophosphates" which is the form of phosphates that encourages algae growth. Do I understand you correctly that this is false? Does it matter if I use borax in my pool (50ppm)?

[PoolDoc]

When I started using the product, I asked about the phosphate issue and was told it didn't increase "orthophosphates" which is the form of phosphates that encourages algae growth. Do I understand you correctly that this is false?

Well, I suppose it's not an outright lie -- when you pour it in, you are not increasing orthophosphates. But it eventually becomes orthophosphates, so it's effectively a lie . . . but then I guess that's what passes for "good marketing": lying effectively!

I don't mind you mentioning poolgeeks, but I don't want them recommended. We are going to have to cobble out a policy on this, but I haven't had time yet. In general, I don't want to recommend companies that haven't been 'vetted' -- BBB checked, physical address checked, etc.

Also, I *prefer* to use Amazon, since I get a commission that helps support the forum (and me), all things being equal. By that I mean, if Amazon and PoolGeek have the same product for about (+/- 5%) the same price, I want to use an Amazon link rather than PoolGeek.

However, there's another issue. I already hate the Taylor guide that comes in the K2006 -- we end up 'solving' problems that that 'guide' creates. With Amazon, I don't have to worry about them giving bad advice, or telling folks dumb stuff we then have to go read, and come back and explain. With PoolGeek, we would have to do EXACTLY that: http://www.poolgeek.com/test/ As SOON as we started linking to them, we'd be answering questions, "Is that safe? PoolGeeks says 10 ppm is HIGH!"

Yeah, that's what we need. NOT!

I looked at their site -- it's very, very nice. Lots to learn about how to do better here. But, their pool info is the same old, same old that we fight year after year. And, after seeing that, I will say -- without ANY reservation or guilt -- that I do NOT want direct links or recommendations there, except as a last resort.

[JimK]

Well, I suppose it's not an outright lie -- when you pour it in, you are not increasing orthophosphates. But it eventually becomes orthophosphates, so it's effectively a lie . . . but then I guess that's what passes for "good marketing": lying effectively!

I don't mind you mentioning poolgeeks, but I don't want them recommended. We are going to have to cobble out a policy on this, but I haven't had time yet. In general, I don't want to recommend companies that haven't been 'vetted' -- BBB checked, physical address checked, etc.

Also, I *prefer* to use Amazon, since I get a commission that helps support the forum (and me), all things being equal. By that I mean, if Amazon and PoolGeek have the same product for about (+/- 5%) the same price, I want to use an Amazon link rather than PoolGeek.

However, there's another issue. I already hate the Taylor guide that comes in the K2006 -- we end up 'solving' problems that that 'guide' creates. With Amazon, I don't have to worry about them giving bad advice, or telling folks dumb stuff we then have to go read, and come back and explain. With PoolGeek, we would have to do EXACTLY that: http://www.poolgeek.com/test/ As SOON as we started linking to them, we'd be answering questions, "Is that safe? PoolGeeks says 10 ppm is HIGH!"

Yeah, that's what we need. NOT!

I looked at their site -- it's very, very nice. Lots to learn about how to do better here. But, their pool info is the same old, same old that we fight year after year. And, after seeing that, I will say -- without ANY reservation or guilt -- that I do NOT want direct links or recommendations there, except as a last resort.

I understand. I've never asked for advice or guidance on pool care from them so I wasn't familiar with that aspect of their business. Taking a look at the test link you mentioned (it appears to be a new feature), I see and respect your point.