Super II Pump Replacment Decision

[PoolDoc]

Here's the crossover data from Hayward:

( http://www.hayward-pool.com/prd/In-G...1_14002__I.htm )

[versstef1]

OK, thanks again. So it looks like they are interchangeable, yes??? I even called Hayward, they said so, too. BUT: they also said the amp draw on BOTH is IDENTICAL on SP3010X15AZ and SP3010EEAZ. How can one be more energy efficient if they draw the same amps? On the Inyo chart, this looks different, with a lower amp on the EE pump. To make me even more confused, the manual has a KW number that is 1.1 for the regular and .75 for the EE. And it states to make sure one has the correct wire for the KW number. So is this a problem when installing? I actually ordered the EE already, but now I'm STILL not sure if it was the right move? Thanks....

[PoolDoc]

I actually ordered the EE already, but now I'm STILL not sure if it was the right move?

The time to decide whether you're going to jump in, is before you're in the air. Once you're in the air, it's better to concentrate on not going SPLAT!

What you've run into is the old 'up rate' vs 'full rate' label game pool pump manufacturers have been playing for years. The *ONLY* difference between an SP3010EECZ and a SP3010X15AX is the label -- there is NO other difference: same parts; same motor (except the label); same efficiency; same wiring.

Stefan, you have ALREADY made your choice. I don't see a lot of value in discussing whether it was the best possible choice, especially when we are so far behind in trying to help people. If you change your mind, and send it back, let us know, and we can look at it again.

Maybe.

You already know it's not what I would recommend.

We absolutely believe in everyone's right to make their very own choices about their pool gear. If they want to buy SuperDuper All Eco Friendly DayGlo Pool Slime for $200 per ounce . . . we think that's absolutely their right (so long as it doesn't poison the neighbors ). But, we don't see a lot of point in discussing it with them -- it's not a product or an approach we support. We're not mad; we just need to focus on helping people who ARE listening to our advice.

Best wishes!

[versstef1]

Thank you. Wish you had told me that this is a game before. I was not able to discern that, and I've looked around. I don't understand how they get to call it energy efficient if it all is the same. Anyway, I pulled the trigger so that's it for. I hope you can appreciate that I am not ready for multispeed upgrade, not everyone is. I just moved i here a year ago and have had my fair share of maintenance issues. I came here for help with a specific decision, and the answer was a whole other animal. All good though, appreciate your efforts in maintaining this forum in general. Maybe someone will get something from reading my dumb post .... Namely that there is a labeling game going on.

[PoolDoc]

Stefan,

There's no way I can tell you all I know about pool pumps, or all that's relevant to your situation. I don't have time, and you wouldn't listen to that much stuff if I did.

When you first posted, you basically asked, "Should I replace just the motor, or get a whole new pump?". I told you to get a pump, and suggested that you get a two speed. It appears you're getting a single speed version of your current pump, but I can't be sure about that -- you haven't provided enough info (like pictures!).

You asked nothing about energy efficiency or comparing one pump to another. You did say you wanted to keep the current motor as a back-up. If you had gotten the 2 speed version of your current pump, you could have done exactly that.

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You haven't asked, but let me give you a general rule about buying pool products from salespeople. Actually, it's about buying from salespeople generally. Here's the rule: "You can tell when a sales person is lying, by watching their mouth. If it's moving, they're lying!"

I used to think that was a joke. Then, I thought it only applied to a few sales people. Now that I'm nearly 60, I know better. There are exceptions, of course. But, that's the general rule.

Here's another general tip about pool business. Again, it applies to consumer goods generally. When a sales person . . . or advertisement says a product is

+ more efficient;
+ chemical-free;
+ more eco-friendly;
+ or has a 50 year warranty;

you are usually about to be deceived.

You can go through the pool industry, and separate the business into those who have "Eco-" in their names, and those who don't. The businesses in the first class are, taken as a whole, and exceptions noted, shysters. It's true outside the pool business, too.

And, finally, one more rule: when shyster businesses play shyster games, like "Buy the NEW All-natural chemical-free "Eco-treat" for your pool, and save $1,000's" [As far as I know, there is NO "Eco-treat" product, at least today ], the non-shyster businesses watch, and eventually begin 'shystering' too. If those bogus claims WORK and sell product, the non-shyster companies start calling THEIR products "all-natural" and "chemical-free" (or: "high tech", "new and improved", "all new", etc) too. They feel like if the shyster's get away with it, they'll take the business from the non-shyster companies.

So, leaving a few shyster businesses standing INEVITABLY means the non-shyster companies begin to use shyster tactics, too just to keep up.

Hayward used to be one of the more stand-up pool companies. But they had to compete with Pentair, who was gobbling up every equipment maker out there, and Zodiac International, S.A.S.U, run with typical French honesty and integrity. I have no idea which one of those companies started the up-rate / full rate game, but it predates me, and I've been in the pool business nearly 30 years. Any company that didn't play would get hurt. Given a choice, very, very few companies will chose to hurt themselves, instead of you.

[versstef1]

Well, I guess I messed this up. If you only know how much effort I put into this, stress and time, that is. Lesson learned, approach it more calmly next time. But on the two speed, you lost me when you asked for drawings. I ain't got no drawings (I also don't do no plumbing and electrical goes just to the point of changing my timer motor, which I accomplished with GREAT price last year). I have a solar guy who bascially told me to avoid the two and variable speed, and that sounded good to me, keep it simple. Well, no I have about 10 years to figure it out, I suppose. Again, thanks and sorry for wasting your time.

[PoolDoc]

It doesn't actually sound like it's messed up.

It sounds like you have gotten a pump that will work, pretty much like the one you had before. That may not be optimal, but it's pretty far from messed up.

[versstef1]

By messed up I meant my foray into this forum! I didn't use it to my best advantage and I annoyed you, so that's not cool. Secondly, if the pumps are identical, I spent about $100 too much. That's not small change. Just FYI, I AGAIN called Hayward this morning (because I'm obsessed). Get this, they insist 100% that these two pumps are not identical. Whoever told me this is flat wrong, they said. The EE uses less power, period. I guess I could just choose to believe, even just to sleep better tonight than last, lol. Thanks again, I'm still just starting out and trying to be perfect is my curse.

[Watermom]

Hope it works out for you with your equipment. Sometimes it is hard to know what is what. They certainly confuse me! See ya around the forum!