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    In a word it is huge. It can turn over the pool at full tilt in about an hour, once a day is enough.

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    Default Re: Is my pump oversized? 1.5 HP / 7500Gals

    I would agree, the PUMP is over sized, not just the motor. Your flow rate is probably around 85 GPM or about a 1.5 hour turnover. If you are looking to downsize the pump, you have a couple of options. Here are a few from cheapest to more expensive:

    1 - Replace the Impeller and Diffusor with the 3/4 HP version
    2 - Replace the motor with a two speed and run on low speed most of the time
    3 - #1 plus replace the motor with a 3/4 HP two speed motor
    4 - Replace the current pump with a 3/4 HP two speed pump
    5 - Replace the current pump with a variable speed pump

    Each of these options will save you energy costs with #5 saving you the most but then it costs the most up front as well.

    Also, you didn't mention if you have solar or are planning to add solar at any point. That can make a difference when choosing a pump.
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    Default Re: Is my pump oversized? 1.5 HP / 7500Gals

    Actually, your 1.5 HP pump is an "Uprated" model so it is really a 1 hp pump. (Full rated, max rated, and up rated is a game the manufacturers play to make their numbers look better and prices seem more competitive. However, pump performance curves are really what tell the story, not HP. Your brake HP is 1.65 which is the same brake HP that a full rated 1 HP pump would have. A 1 hp pump is not unreasonable on a 150-175 sq ft cart filter. The filter is oversized for a pool that small but oversizing carts is considered good practice since it gives you a very long mean time between cleanings. my pool is under 7k and has a 150 sq ft cart and a 1.5 uprated pump also.

    A 2 speed pump would have been a a better idea when the pool was built and your cheapest upgrade would be to install a 2 speed replacement motor on your exisiting setup.
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    Data taken from Pentair DynaPro page

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    DynaPro pump curve - use 'F' curve




    StaRite PosiClear PXC150 -- 150 sft cartridge



    Your current pump is the 'F' curve, and is probably running between 60 and 110 GPM.

    Your filter (150sft) is optimal at 55 GPM or less (0.375 gpm/sft). I wouldn't put stock in the 175 sft rating: they achieve that by adding pleats, but the pleats that are close together tend to become clumps of pleats that act as one large thick and ineffective pleat. High flow with high pressure greatly increases the tendency toward pleat collapse.

    The fact that your pump is running hot suggests a high load, which equals high volume. Given your low restriction piping, it's likely you are running on the right side of the curve, at maybe 100gpm. This wastes electricity and is hard on your filter.

    I'm going to have to go with Mark on this one. Your best option for now is to replace your impeller with the smallest one you can get. This site -- http://www.poolplaza.com/C-Sta-Rite-Dyna-Pro-Parts.html -- shows a 1/2HP full rate / 3/4 HP uprate impeller that corresponds to the 'D' curve above. You should end up running 40 - 70 GPM, rather than your current 60 - 100 GPM. You'll save electricity; your motor will last longer; your cartridge will last longer and your filter will remove finer particles.

    On your pool, even with the minimal impeller, you'll still only need to run 3 hours per day, to get a full turn-over. I'd recommend trying (2) 2 hour run periods.

    You'll need to replace both the impeller and the seal. I'd get (2) seals, so you have a spare, and also all exposed rubber parts.

    Later, you can look for an energy efficient 2 speed motor. I looked, but didn't find one.

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    Wow. You guys really know your business; thanks so much for the thoughtful analysis and advice. What a treasure this forum is due to folks such as yourselves.

    I'll have to contemplate which solution works best for me, balancing ease with cost. My complete unfamiliarity with the pump makes me hesitant to tear into it, though I'm handy enough with tools. Is there a tutorial/DIY for replacing the impeller & diffuser somewhere, or is it simple enough to figure out just by disassembling it? Do I need torque specs, loctite, etc? Doc recommends replacing the exposed rubber parts, but I dunno what those are; is there an impeller kit that comes with those rubber parts?

    Thanks again!
    7500G IG fiberglass/175 sq ft cartridge filter/1.5HP pump

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    If you want to do it, I'll walk you through it.

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