Questions on changing to a 2 speed motor on a Hayward Super II pump

[PoolDoc]

As for the two speed motors with timer, personally, I would not think the timer on the motor would be all that convenient but that is your choice. But my biggest concern would be reliability.

I wasn't thinking convenience; I was thinking cost. Instead of a $500 motor + a $150 timer, the Emerson motor was just $275 -- less than 1/2 the cost for the same function.

I didn't know about the reliability problem -- I've only dealt with a few Emerson motors, and didn't have problems with those. If you have more info on that issue, could you email it to me? (I don't want to hijack this thread.)

[keastman]

I might be the guinea pig for the site and go with the 2EZ motor. I'll just need to make sure it's not old stock from the recall period. At sub $300 it will be a bargain if it works out, if not, I'll wish I invested in an AO Smith, or a new two speed Whisperflo, or Intelliflo pump. Time will tell I guess, I'll keep ya'll posted how it works out if I go that way. I'm a bit hesitant on the electronic controlled timer on the pump with all or our lightning here, but I put a surge protector in my pool panel. I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but I haven't lost any components of my SWG since it's been installed and I used to loose some part yearly before I installed the surge protector. I do like the timer on the EZ pump because it has freeze protection and we get 5 or so freezing night each winter in NE FLA and sometimes I forget to run out and turn the pump on overnight, or don't even know it's supposed to freeze. Not having the expense of buying another timer and time spent wiring it will also be a plus. Hopefully running that pump on low most of the time and adding the 340sq ft filter I picked up will help keep the water cleaner. I think the 2 hp motor I have now is blowing a lot of fine stuff through the 120 sq ft one I have.

Now I just need to figure out a good plumbing plan to clean up the octopus system that I have now when I put the filter on line.

Thanks for the input and any other advice.

[PoolDoc]

Call and ask, but it LOOKS like that if the electronic timer fries, the motor may live. And, if it does, you can bypass the on-pump timer with an external timer.

[PoolDoc]

Kevin,

My apologies, but the pictures you sent came in differently, and weren't caught by my filters.

I've got them loaded: where do you want them?

Meanwhile, I noticed a problem. I grabbed this detail from one of the pictures:


That is almost certainly NOT a Hayward OEM, and not a Unicel or Filbur aftermarket. I'm running into info that Chinese and other low-grade carts are coming into the US market in very deceptive ways. For example, this IS a genuine Unicel: Unicel C-8412 Replacement Cartridge for 120sft Hayward CX1200RE @ Amazon

But this: Hayward Replacement Cartridge Element @ Amazon is almost certainly NOT a Hayward OEM . . . even though it's cataloged by Amazon as being one.

And this one: Pool Filter Replaces Unicel C-8412 (Pleatco PA120, Filbur FC-1293) @ Amazon is not even close!

In your photo, the replacement has no bands -- this almost certainly marks it as a VERY low grade replacement, not even up to Pleatco's standards. That may explain a lot of the difficulty you are having clearing your water!

[keastman]

Ben, I'm not sure which filter that is, I have two, I switch them out, They both used to have bands around them but they've been blown out for the last year or so and I removed the shreds that were left. One was from the local Ace Hardware store that has a pool center, the other one is one the previous home owner's pool service installed. I'll have to look at them tomorrow and see. I've not bothered to get new ones since I've known I was going to put larger filter in at some point in the near future. Now I'm ready.

I sent the pictures of the pool and spa because you requested them a couple of posts ago to help determine what I might do about the pump and plumbing. I guess you can post them as you see fit or put them with my others that you had the link for.

Thanks, Kevin

[PoolDoc]

Oops. Sorry. Got threads confused -- I'm dealing with 3 similar threads!

Lemme reset. OK, re-read you thread to make sure I knew where I was.

If you want to simply put your pool on hold, till you get all new gear, we can help you do that.

BUT, if you want to USE your pool before then, do this:
1. Get a new Unicel cartridge, but do NOT install it.
2. Pipe a bypass around your filter, and put a 1/2lb spring check on the filter line, and a 5lb spring check + a valve on the bypass line
3. Then, install the Unicel. That way, your bypass line will move excess flow AROUND the filter, when it gets dirty, so you won't destroy the cartridge.

Surprisingly, Amazon has US made cheap calibrated check valves you can use. I'll post the links if you want to pursue this.

[keastman]

Thanks for the bypass info Ben, I've already picked up a used Jandy cl-320 cart filter to replace mine with, I"m just gong to make a final decision on ordering a new motor, or new pump and get to work plumbing it all in. The pool is functioning as is and will do OK until I can set aside a day to install the filter and motor or new pump.