Regular use of copper as an algaecide ...

[paulshikleejr]

The information contained in http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthr...-amp-More-quot and http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthr...-an-algaecide-... are very helpful and the background for the question hereafter.

In the latter thread, it is stated that copper is "not really compatible with chlorine". Based on what's said in that thread and in the FAQ (the first URL above), I understand that copper is deemed not compatible with chlorine because levels of chlorine sufficient to properly sanitize a pool will make it very likely (if not a certainty) that staining of hair, plaster, etc. will occur.

Is that correct?

In the FAQ, it is written that "if there is copper in your pool, high chlorine levels will increase staining ..." I'm asking this question because it's not clear to me whether "high chlorine levels" means 2 ppm or 5 ppm or something else.

Thank you!

[Watermom]

I'm going to ask Ben to look at your post as he is more familiar with the use of copper in a pool.

I'm also going to merge your two threads. Better to keep the questions about copper all within the same thread instead of starting another one.

[CarlD]

I don't know what level of FC starts copper staining, and it may vary depending on the stabilizer level. But none of us (Admin, mods, experienced posters) use copper because we all have found, or feel, that copper is more trouble than it's worth and that following the B-B-B method makes copper algaecide unnecessary.

Carl

[chem geek]

The level of copper needed to prevent algae growth even when chlorine levels get to zero is high enough to cause staining of pool surfaces if the pH gets higher towards 7.8+ depending on copper level, though you can get staining at lower pH if you don't manage your copper level and it gets too high. The incompatibility with chlorine is really referring to incompatibility with hypochlorite sources of chlorine (e.g. bleach, chlorinating liquid, Cal-Hypo, lithium hypochlorite) since raising the chlorine level higher as with shocking or even less than daily dosing will raise the pH and that is what can cause staining. If one uses Trichlor tabs, the pH is usually easier to keep lower which can help prevent staining, but the rise in CYA levels over time can still have the water become cloudy from slower and slower oxidation of bather waste (including lotions and oils). Also, copper can turn blond hair greenish.

If you have a vinyl pool, you are at less risk for staining, but if you have a plaster or fiberglass pool, you are taking chances by using copper. Metal staining is a real pain so why take that chance?

Copper is completely unnecessary to prevent algae growth. Algae can be prevented by chlorine alone if one maintains an appropriate Free Chlorine (FC) level relative to the Cyanuric Acid (CYA) level as shown in the Best Guess Swimming Pool Chlorine Chart.

[PoolDoc]

Looks like the topic's been covered. If you want more than that, probably we need a new thread in the China Shop.

The simple summary is that, whatever you can do with copper in pools (fountains might be an exception) you can usually do better without it.

Good luck.

Ben