starting up after winter

The issue with draining wasn't cost, it was killing the grass in our pasture and yard althogh Im not sure it would have since there may not have been any chemicals in the water at that point. Hindsight is 20/20 isnt it!! ;) I may have to look into the saltwater system. Thanks again!!!

Glad you're on your way, now. Let us know how it goes!

I think I may have killed the algae and can begin the removal process. Here is my next problem. I do not have the cya reagant and it doesnt look like i will have until next week. We are going out of town this weekend and would like to shock it so that it will be at a safe level for us to leave for the weekend. Can I go ahead and add some stabilizer. I am assuming I dont have any due to the fact that I can now maintain a level overnight but not after a day of full sun. Is this correct assumption? Any suggestions??

You can always go ahead and add it--but if you add it through the skimmer it's only going to dissolve while the pump is on. They do have a liquid version of CYA if you want to dissolve it in a hurry, but I understand it's quite a bit more expensive. You might have time to dissolve some before you leave by hanging in old sock or stocking in front of the return and giving it a squeeze now and then to speed it up.

If you're able to maintain chlorine overnight but not during the day, it's reasonable to assume you have zero, or at least too little, CYA in the pool.

Hi Costo;

You can definitely add stabilizer. The trick is going to be to getting it dissolved by Friday PM.

Here's what you may want to consider>

1. For testing, go to Walmart and get an HTH-6 way testkit. This is a re-branded Taylor kit that is compatible with the K-2006, and it contains a CYA test. It is an EXCELLENT value, and appears to be available from most Walmarts in Oklahoma City.

2. The best way to get stabilizer in your pool quickly, and then to keep the pool over the weekend, is probably to add dichlor AND a trichlor floater. You can get ALL of those items locally. The problem is you'll have to be a label inspector to get dichlor and trichlor that is not diluted and does not contain copper. As far as I can tell, the chlorine products sold by Walmart and Costco should be avoided. Lowes and Home Depot vary from area to area. If you can find the products in the Amazon link below, those are sold at some Home Depot stores.

3. The other alternative is to buy from Amazon -- TODAY -- and get Amazon Prime, so it will be delivered Friday for no additional. I would recommend putting them in your Amazon shopping cart to make sure they can be delivered in 2 days before buying Prime. Prime is a good deal if you buy from Amazon a lot; otherwise not so much. (I live by it, at Christmas!! But, remember to cancel the trial, if it doesn't work for you!) Anyhow, here are the links:

Kem-Tek Dichlor 12lbs
Kem-Tek 879 Pool Floating Tablet Dispenser Pool and Spa Accessories
Kem-Tek 3" Trichlor 24lbs
Amazon Prime
(1 month free trial -- but remember to cancel if you don't like it!)

4. Wherever you get them, add 2 lbs of dichlor to the pool (~14 ppm) and then put the floater into your pool, filled with trichor. That should keep the pool for several days, even with low CYA levels.

GOOD NEWS!!! My CYA reagent came today. I tested my CYA. Filled the tube all the way to the top and the black dot never disappeared. So am I right to assume I have 0-very little CYA??

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So am I right to assume I have 0-very little CYA??

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Yep.

I added bleach since I had lost it today again. Also added stabilizer to sock in front of return. When would be the soonest i could check cya. I dont want to waste any tests. I know it usually takes a few days to disolve but Im hoping I can have a good estimate by saturday am before we leave.

Once you see it disappearing from the sock, you can assume it's in the water-- if you leave your pump running and give the sock an occasional squeeze, it will help dissolve faster. I think you can get it all in by Saturday.

checked my cya...think its between 40-50. I was unable to get the chemicals ordered from amazon so i got some hth tri-chlor tablets and plan to put them in the pool before I leave. I figured with the cya in the pool and the tablets, hopefully i will be good until we get back. planning on running the pump on a timer for about 8 hours at a time. Does this sound right or any other suggestions??

Probably. You should be fine if you are only going to be gone for a weekend. The worst that could happen is you get a little algae but that would easily be cleaned up. It certainly wouldn't turn into a swamp in a weekend's time! Have a good trip!

Thanks for all the help thus far. Ill keep you posted

Here are my results from my Taylor 2006 kit. These were taken in the morning.
FC: 6
CC: 1.5
ph: 7.0
alk: 80
calcium hardness: 90
cya: 54

Go ahead and shock the pool up. (See Best Guess Chlorine Chart in my signature below) to try and get rid of that CC reading. Also, bump the pH up some with some Borax. Probably start with a half a box, retest a couple hours later and then redose. Do this before you shock the pool because with high chlorine, you won't get accurate pH results. Everything else looks fine. Since you have a CYA of 54 (not sure how you discerned that number but anyways.....) i wouldn't use any forms of stabilized chlorine in your pool, meaning no trichlor pucks nor dichlor shock powder.

Hope you enjoyed your trip!

I guessed on the cya since it was between readings ;). I added borax and bleach to shock level this am after getting test results. Thought I would test again this pm. I had thought the algae was dead but I think I may have lost some ground while we were gone. It is starting to look better but is still havin some grEen discoloration after brushing. I am still recirculating without the filter.

Also I bought chlorine tablets to float in pool while we were gone. Ingredients say trichloro-s-triazinetrione 93.6% zinc sulfate monohydrate 3.5% other ingredients 2.9% available chlorine 84%. Are these ok to float in the pool?

Also, it only turns greenish in some spots right when I brush but most of the water is cloudy /milky blue

The tabs are ok except that your CYA is already high enough and those tabs add CYA. Go ahead and leave the ones in the floater that are already there, but then don't put anymore in. You can save the tabs to use for a short time if you go out of town again this summer or upon opening next year if you need to add some CYA.

Keep your pool at shock level. Also, keep an eye on the pH since those tabs are acidic and will drive the pH down. Go ahead and put it on circulate.

Its starting to look a lot better after I stir. In fact I think the little discoloration I get is due to dirt. It quickly turns back into a cloudy/blue. Tests this am. Fc: 14.5, cc: 0.5, ph: 7.0. I see what you mean on the tabs driving the ph down cause I have been adding borax to keep it up and it keeps coming back down. I added more borax dissolved in hot water and the pucks are almost gone so hopefully that will solve this issue would it be okay to put the filter in at this point to try to clean this up? I have vacuumed a few times and gotten quite a bit of algae out. I cannot vaccuum to waste as imy vacuum is hooked up to my pump.

What results did you get?

Your CYA level will only change if you add stabilizer, dichlor or trichlor (going up) or if you dump and refill (going down).

There's a pint refill bottle on the test kit info page in my signature. The little nozzle will pop out of the CYA reagent bottle, if you push it with your thumb to the side. You can refill and the pop the nozzle back in.

FC: 14.5
CC: 0.5
Ph: 7.0
Cya: 50-60

Darn. Posted the wrong answer to this thread, and now I have to go find the thread that answer belonged to!

Glad you posted your CYA level though: 14 ppm is a good algae clean up level with 50 ppm of CYA.

Anyhow. YOUR answer is . . . .

Intex OEM cartridges filter dead algae VERY poorly. I'd recommend you replace yours with the Unicel cartridge. Not only will it filter better, but if you get two, and clean them properly, they will last all season:

Unicel C-4607 Replacement Filter Cartridge (Easy Set Size A or C) @ Amazon

Be VERY careful -- most replacement cartridges are NOT higher quality, and some are labeled deceptively.

To clean them, you need a small garbage can with a lid and some TSP, like these:

Rubbermaid BRUTE Gray 10 Gal Container w/o Lid @ Amazon
Round Brute Lid For 10-Gallon Waste Containers, 16" Diameter, Gray
1lb Savogran 10621 Trisodium Phosphate (TSP) @ Amazon

You may be able to get all those items locally. Ace Hardware or Lowes may have TSP in the paint section.

Anyhow, fill the garbage can 3/4 with water, add the TSP, and mix. When a cartridge gets dirty, spray it off and set it aside. Add 1/8 cup of bleach to the garbage can, and mix. Then, put the dirty cartridge in and leave it.

When you are ready to use it, rinse it off CAREFULLY. You don't want detergent in your pool. Rinse at least 2x. Then, take the dirty cartridge out and put the clean one in, and restart the process.

Cleaning the cartridges in that manner, you should be able to go all summer with just those 2 cartridges.

(Just saw I told you this before. Did you do it? If you have the Unicel cartridges, put them back in. If you still have Intex cartridges, I'd try to vacuum to waste using a siphon. Do you know how to do that?)

I did not order the unicel cartridges as I had 3 new cartrifges I was hoping to start using then buy the unicel ones. Sounds like I need to go ahead and order those. I did get the stuff to clean the cartridges with as you had suggested. I do not know how to waste via siphon, my husbad might but it wouldn't hurt to post if its not too much trouble. I have just been vacuuming into the collection bag that sits in my skimmer bag that came with the vacuum which came with the pool. It fills up pretty quickly so I have to empty frequently :) should I just keep vacuuming with the vacuum filter oR use the cartridges I have until I get the unicel ones

We're not sure yet, but what we suspect is that forcing dead algae particles through filters that do NOT catch them, breaks them into even smaller particles that are harder to filter.

So yes, I'd recommend getting the Unicel filters.

Still trying to clean this mess up until I get the unicel cartridges I ordered. I have been using the vacuum with my pump with and without my cartridge filter. I will get the hose filled with sludge and it will lose suction, I then have to empty the filter that is on the end of the hose in my skimmer basket then start again, as it this isnt bad enought to be doing LITERALLY after 5 seconds of vacuuming i had also noticed dirt going back into the pool once the vacuum filter gets clogged. I did this for a while before I realized I was not making much ground if any with the return of dirty water to the pool. Yes, I was getting rid of a lot of algae but just didnt like the dirty water return. Also, I did add a clarifier and it has cleared up where I can see part of the way into the pool(much more than before). Should I turn the pump off and let this settle and try to vacuum again or see if the pump filter will filter it out? Sounds like i might need some schooling in vacuuming to waste via siphon.....

You can't really do a siphon vacuum with sludge -- it's too heavy and solid.

I started to feel guilty, think maybe I hadn't suggested this:

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If you can drain and refill for less than $120, it may be a good idea.If you can drain and refill for less than $120, it may be a good idea.

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but I did, in my first post.

Is there a reason why you ruled this out? If you've got layered sludge on the bottom of an Intex pool, you are STILL a long way from cleaned up -- on an Intex at LEAST 10 days.

I have actually asked myself that a few times(why didn't I drain);). I probably shouldn't call it sludge. It seems to be mostly algae, dirt, bugs and after adding the clarifier some of it has clumped together. Turned the pump off last night and let it settle. This am noticed a few spots where the water is clear and you can see the bottom. There was kind of a horseshoe shape where you could see the dirt and even in those spots the water was still pretty cLear for a ways down. We vacuumed up quite a bit(had to have two people and even then its rough). Going to let it settle and try again

If it will settle, and you can work out a way to get it out, you can clean up more quickly than I indicated.