What to do??

[danl]

Decided to fix it anyway. I was amazed, those underwater patches actually work.
My son-in-law was helping and he said "this aint gonna work". about 30 seconds later he said "this is gonna work!!!"

I ordered a new 1 hp Hayward pump from Amazon for $144.00, I had a 1 1/2 hp in my cart and remembered some sage wisdom from this site about too big a pump. So I came back here and did a search and found bigger was not better, and I switched it to a 1 hp. It originally had a 1 1/2 hp.


Have pumps gotten cheaper? Last fall I couldn't find anything less than about $300.00.

Thanks for the advice.

[danl]

Regarless of what state you live in, an Above Ground Pool is not considered a permanent structure and therefore not part of the real estate. Only permanent structures that are actually attached to the surface of the ground or IN the ground such as INground pools, sheds, garages, outbuildings and your home are part of the real estate - even mobile homes (unless they have a basement and brick or concrete foundation - not a slab) are not permanent structures. Unless there is something completely different about the Assessors in your county, they will not assess the property at a higher value for eminant domain if you have an above ground pool. It is treated no differently than having a trampoline or sandbox on the property. You should be able to remove it without having to buy it back from the state.

I wonder about the deck I built 1/3 of the way around it. Also it is on a concrete ring I poured prior to setting the pool up. I actually want them to have to buy it from me. Normally they sell it back to you at a greatly reduced price. I am pretty sure they at least have to pay me to move it. But then again it is the government

[CarlD]

Regarless of what state you live in, an Above Ground Pool is not considered a permanent structure and therefore not part of the real estate. Only permanent structures that are actually attached to the surface of the ground or IN the ground such as INground pools, sheds, garages, outbuildings and your home are part of the real estate - even mobile homes (unless they have a basement and brick or concrete foundation - not a slab) are not permanent structures. Unless there is something completely different about the Assessors in your county, they will not assess the property at a higher value for eminant domain if you have an above ground pool. It is treated no differently than having a trampoline or sandbox on the property. You should be able to remove it without having to buy it back from the state.

Unfortunately, this is NOT necessarily true. It depends on the state, the local authorities and regulations and the nature of the pool.

Since many localities, especially East Coast and suburban ones, require a building and electrical permit for ANY pool (If they are really pushy they may even demand one for an Intex-type donut pool), they may then consider it "assessable". That certainly happened to me, as my FantaSea pool is above ground, but built into my deck and, while technically "temporary", without a BobCat or 15 guys to lift 900lb girders, it's permanent!

Our tax assessment DEFINITELY went up due to the pool, although not as much as our neighbors' due to their IGs.

In an eminent domain situation, though, one may assume that the powers that be will be looking to pay the LEAST they can get away with, so they'll have an incentive NOT to include the pool in the property valuation. You'll need to find out if the pool is supposed be included in the expropriation.

[NWMNMom]

Real estate law and local ordinances regarding safety and building permits are horses of two different colors. While local tax assessors may add an on ground pool to the tax base, a steel sided above ground pool may not. Building permits ARE required to put in mobile homes and above ground pools, however this does not necessarily make them a permanent structure under real estate law. You should check rather than just assume that it is part of the property.

Since you have gone ahead with the replacement of your items, I would simply suggest that you look closely at what they are including. You shouldn't have to buy an above ground pool back from the county and should be able to dissemble it and take it with you when you move - check the fine print on their listing of the property closely is all I am saying.

[CarlD]

NWMNMom,

I'm sure what you say is true in Minnesota, but I can assure it is decidely NOT true in North Central New Jersey, and not in the suburban town I live in. I definitely have an AG pool, it's aluminum and plastic walled, and I definitely had my house revalued because of it.

Each state and each municipality has its own rules and laws. I am currently selling my mother's house in Northern Westchester County, in New York, and the real estate rules and methods there would make your head spin! Especially since you seem to be a realtor. NOTHING in Westchester follows any familiar pattern, even in comparison to other counties of New York! For example, ALL offers are verbal and the written contract isn't prepared until very late in the process. Despite the house being "under contract", either party can back out and the seller can STILL accept a higher bid! Any place else that's a breach of contract, but not in Westchester. The written contract comes with an escrowed down payment as well (my mom's lawyer now has that down payment in an escrow account).

[NWMNMom]

Things have really gotten upside down - especially on the East Coast. I remember hearing about the eminant domain fiasco sanctioned by the Supreme Court out there where they were allowed to take the homes of the those people for some huge corporation to put up condos or something similar. Up until then ED was reserved only for those situations where the public good would be served (dikes, public works, etc) It's just plain sad.

BTW - I am not a realtor. I worked with Real Estate Law and Foreclosures since the late 80s in MN, ND and SD.

[CarlD]

Sorry, but I thought you were. Clearly you were in the business though.

The use of ED to benefit large corporations is not simply an East Coast problem. The building of the stadium for the Texas Rangers used ED to take something like 270 acres of which 17 went to the Stadium and the rest for a windfall-profit office park because the land was so cheap. Owners who were expropriated sued because the land value was SO downgraded and, last I heard, they had won the first cases. The new owners made millions on the deal.

But we have it here, too. One of the reasons the Brooklyn Dodgers fled to L.A. was that Robert Moses, the Czar of New York building and development, refused to aid Walter O'Malley in his quest to condemn a whole bunch of Brooklyn neighborhoods so he could build his new stadium. Currently, the owner of the New Jersey Nets basketball team is trying to do the same thing so he can move our Nets to Brooklyn.

In fact, sports stadiums across the nation are a frequent use of ED, despite their rather dismal financial history.

[danl]

On a positive side we need the highway improvement. They are rerouting a very dangerous intersection thru our house. Would have liked for them to have gone the other direction.
My wife is a school teacher and at least two of her students have died there. One of them a eight year old girl. The other a barely 16 year old girl.

At least it isn't going for a mall or hotel.

No building permits required here, We live on a farm, raise cattle.can see them out the front window.

[NWMNMom]

I hope you will be getting to move to a nice place where you can have a pool and some privacy.

There isn't anything like country living - I couldn't stand a view that doesn't include my horses out the windows on one side of the house and the pool out the other side.

[AnnaK]

I hope you will be getting to move to a nice place where you can have a pool and some privacy.

I think danl said in an earlier post that they were planning to build a home farther back on their farm property. That sounds like a good solution to what must be a stressful and traumatic time.