Results 1 to 10 of 16

Thread: Ideal Salt Level Pool Pilot

Threaded View

  1. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii.
    Posts
    250

    Default Re: Ideal Salt Level Pool Pilot

    Waterbear,

    I did a little further research.

    While ORP values are useful values for predicting algae breakouts in aquariums the ORP value for aquariums do not translate to pools, as marine aquariumss are controlled environments (where the temperature, UV, are constant and wind normally plays no part) albeit that higher values can guarantee higher FC chlorine levels. Predicting algae breakouts in pools using marine aquarium guidelines would normally not be of value as other levels such as ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, phosporous, and especially the fact the salt ppm (normally 30,000 to 50,000 ppm) in marine aquariums is many times greater than in a pool. Additionaly chlorine is normally not used in salt water aquariums but Nitrifying bacteria are used, this is not so in salt water pools, see here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarium

    It seems that two pools with identical ORP values can have different levels of FC, and even these ORP values can fluctuate quite a bit depending on the time of day.

    For example an ORP value of 700 in one pool may indicate an FC of 6, while and ORP value of 650 in another may also indicate a FC of 6. Even the same pool can have wildly swinging ORP numbers in the course of one day but still have FC readings of 6 consistently throughout the day.

    Obviously as with aquariums the larger the size the less the fluctuation, a 50 gallon tank will fluctuate more than a 500 gallon tank, so it seems this is also true of pools.

    I believe that in a post from Chem Geek he stated that ORP value was not as valuable to pool chemistry as once thought and that the HOCL % was a better indicator as far as algae control was concerned. At least that is the way I understood his post. And from practical experience I would have to agree.

    The time line of bacterial cross infection between humans is affected by ORP but at levels of 650 or 700 depending on your view, or 750 in a public pool, this is not a concern; at least in regards to algae control. 650 ORP is the current standard for most US public pools, Germany's is 750 but that as you know is extremely hard to achieve without very sophisticated equipment, which most US public pool do not have at present.

    Additionally most persons do not have ORP controllers or complicated ozone setups to mitigate the loss of chlorine so for the average person HOCL% would most probably be an easier number to strive for as it can be easily calculated using CyA, pH, and the FC numbers.

    It seems therefore that for those with no algae problems a SWG pool would be optimized at pH 7.5, CyA 35, and FC of 4, this gives an approximate HOCL % of 0.050 %, which could be considered a minimum standard. For those with algae issues the FC is better kept at 6, an HOCL % of 0.080%. Obviously if one raises the CyA ppm then one would have to either lower the pH (harder on the eyes while swimming) or raise the FC which most SWG are unable to do as they struggle at FCs of 5 or 6, unless they are oversized.

    Any thoughts?
    Last edited by smallpooldad; 07-25-2008 at 04:54 PM.

Similar Threads

  1. Is there an ideal cyanuric acid level?
    By peatree in forum Testing and Adjusting Pool Water Chemistry
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 05-22-2012, 04:03 PM
  2. Pool pH is at the "ideal" level, but alkalinity is super high
    By mindleak in forum Pool Chemistry for Intex-type Pools
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 03-25-2012, 03:05 AM
  3. Pool Pilot Salt Generator Power Supply already failed less than 3 yrs - What to buy?
    By dabaxter in forum Salt Generators (SWCG) & other Chlorine Feeders
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-06-2011, 05:22 PM
  4. Low chlorine level in a salt water pool...
    By Strawfoot in forum Salt Generators (SWCG) & other Chlorine Feeders
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 02-07-2007, 09:22 PM
  5. CYA Reducing Mix Period/CYA Ideal Level?
    By smallpooldad in forum Testing and Adjusting Pool Water Chemistry
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-12-2006, 12:14 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts