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    Default Re: Welding a lot of PVC joints...

    Stop doing the same projects as me This is strange, I too am replumbing my entire system tomorrow. I also dry fitted all my stuff but the valves coming out of the ground aren't square to the pad so I might have to resort to using some flex pipe ( ) I hate that stuff. It looks like crap after a year.

    The only question I can answer is #2 - the time before moving to the next joint is 3 seconds.

    What I fear most is getting all this done and having a leak

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    Default Re: Welding a lot of PVC joints...

    I would do all my work in place, not away from the situation, you are going to get much more accurate joints that way.

    Even in tight places, it's relatively easy to assemble PVC properly.
    Good luck to both, hope it all comes out dripless.

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    Default Re: Welding a lot of PVC joints...

    leejp,

    I just finished replumbing my system and will pass on the lessons learned:

    1) If you have some parts that you know the exact dimensions and geometry of the setup, you can do that in your workshop. I did that with a couple of diverter valves, a check valve and associated elbows. Otherwise, as Matt4x4 advises, do the rest on site.

    2) Make sure your pump and filter are level with each other and the ground. This ensures you piping will square up without putting any stain on the pump and filter fittings. I had to shim up a filter that was nearly 10 degrees out of level.

    3) Technically, 1.5 - 2.0" PVC requires 30 minutes after gluing before movement, but practically you can proceed after 1-2 minutes if you handle the joints gently. Be SURE to HOLD the joints together for 30 seconds after insertion as they will tend to back out. This can take quite a bit of force on 2" fittings, so be sure you are in a good potion to exert the required force. Here are some good links on gluing techniques:
    http://www.ppfahome.org/faq-cement.html
    http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/...Detail/ttid/15
    http://www.elchem.com/making_solvent_cem_joints.htm

    4) If you have any long runs with heavy components (valves, unions, SWCG's) be sure to provide some support along the way.

    5) For alignment I used a framing square, plumb bob, tape measure and sharpie to map out, mark and check the route during assembly.

    6) Use unions wherever you will need to remove something for maintenance or replacement. They are cheap at Lowe's and worth every penny.

    7) Lastly, measure and remeasure before cutting, including accurate measures of the insertion depths of the pipe/fittings.
    Chuck
    16,000 gallon gunite/plaster, Pool Pilot Digital SC-60, Pentair UltraFlow 1 HP pump, Pentair Tagelus TA 60 filter, Polaris 280

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    Question Re: Welding a lot of PVC joints...

    I'm getting ready to do some major re-plumbing as well - I'll be adding a new heat pump in the near future and a SWG later. Plus, I need to remove some leaking, rusty gate valves from the original install. What do folks recommend for fittings/connections - should I be using PVC slip unions everywhere or are those usually reserved for big things (filters, heaters, pumps) while Jandy valves are just glued in place? Thanks!
    18K gallon free-form gunite pool, Sta-Rite S7D75 DE filter, 2-speed Sta-Rite Max-E-Pro pump, Pool Pilot Digital SWCG, Heat Siphon SX3.25 heat pump, Dolphin Deluxe 4 robotic

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    Default Re: Welding a lot of PVC joints...

    Another hint...when you do the dry fitting you probably won't get all the joints to seat all the way. Sched-40 fittings seat 1.25". Then when you goop they seat all the way and measurements are off.
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    Default Re: Welding a lot of PVC joints...

    Quote Originally Posted by Poconos View Post
    Another hint...when you do the dry fitting you probably won't get all the joints to seat all the way. Sched-40 fittings seat 1.25". Then when you goop they seat all the way and measurements are off.
    Al
    I'll quote that just to emphasize how important it is.

    It's also handy to write notes and little arrows in pencil on the pipe about which end goes where and what direction it goes so you don't point an elbow the wrong direction.

    I've also found that dry fitting can mislead you into skipping a joint when it comes time to glue. Not a good feeling when you see that an unmoveable joint in the middle is leaking because you forgot to glue it. Purple primer is your friend for anything underground, but it looks pretty bad above ground unless you'll be painting the pipe.

    Make sure you have some extra fittings on hand. Nothing more frustrating than messing up a section and then being short a fitting to finish.

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    Default Re: Welding a lot of PVC joints...

    I used unions on the pump, filter and SWCG. The Jandy, Pentair, Compool valves can be repaired in place, so I think unions are overkill there. You might also consider a union for any place where you can't physically make a good glued slip joint, e.g. tight spot where you have no room or flex in the pipe to fit the slip joint together.
    Chuck
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