What kind of liner do i have?

[hrsdennis]

That is what I call a v bead liner. Muskin was the first company to use these and that's what they called them. There may be a more correct name. With that pool you could easily go beaded, v bead or overhang.

I do stand corrected as for draining till it stops to find the hole. This works well if you are lucky enough to have the hole on the side of the pool. They are the easiest to find and patch.

The liner pictured looks fairly fresh. I would spent some time trying to find the hole and maybe save the liner.

One quick note about changing a liner because you cannot find a hole. I strongly recommend going under the liner before you yank it out. You can tell a lot about your pool care history from the under side. If your cleaner is making pin holes under the ladder or if your steps are moving and causing pin holes you will know and be able to make adjustments for the next liner.

Later, Dennis

[matt4x4]

I've always known that liner as a J mold or J hook liner since it's an upside down J. That's also what it was sold to me as.
Those clips over the top of it aren't bead receivers, so a beaded liner would also require you to get the bead receivers.
I personally really like the J mold liners, yours has those plastic clip pieces to hold it in place there, mine doesn't because the upright and toprail structure of my pool is completely dufferent, I have blow molded resin pieces, they are solid but hollow, shaped with a groove to overlap the top of the wall and pinch the liner onto the wall - like a "built in clip".
I'd also be spending the time to find the hole....from what I'm seeing, your water is about 2 feet deep right now, it hasn't been dropping for a while (clean side above waterline) so it's relatively safe to say your hole is most likely within 4-6 inches of the water line. I'd dump in some bleach, stir it up with your leaf net, clear up the water, get in and start hunting from the water line down - start where your steps normally go, higher chance of the hole being there than anywhere else.

[hrsdennis]

After checking the Johnny W website I believe they call those receivers “Aluminum Coping Covers and Liner Receiver”.

I rounded up a couple pictures of bead receivers. The first is the one in question, the second two from different pool stores. I have seen a few versions of these but they are all similar.







I’m pretty sure you can install a beaded liner into that pool. I have been wrong before however. Any other opinions?

Later, Dennis

[matt4x4]

That's a bit better of a pic, I was wondering what was up with all that white along the top edge.
My liner is more like taking the top half of the receiver part and welding it directly to the liner top edge and hanging it all around.

I'd think you can install a beaded liner as well, as long as receiver size is right.

[haze_1956]

Dennis,

This is basicly the same question I think Matt is asking.

Can most AG pools take a J-hook liner as a replacement. They appear to be the simplest to install.

And if not, why?

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[bkwudz]

Mine is definitely more like the bottom pic. There is no little lip to catch the bead like in the second picture.

I found the pool installation manual and it show two options to install the liner. Overlapped like i have it, and also with the white part that over hangs my wall in the bottom of the J in the receiver.


I also cleaned up the water and am going to try to find the leak one more time.

When i pulled the cover out last month i marked the water level, that is where it basically was for the prior 2 months. i Added 4 inches of water and marked that level as well. With in a week the level had dropped 3 inches and was an inch above the original mark. It has not moved from that mark in 2 weeks.

[hrsdennis]

BK’s liner is a J-hook. It is installed under the bead receiver. It hooks over the wall and the receiver is just used as a stabilizer rod. See the original pictures, they show that well. A j-hook liner should be able to be used on any pool.

In my previous post I was just showing the receiver that BK had over the j-hook liner (first picture) and comparing that with two store images of bead receivers. I was just trying to show that I think this pool would accept a j-hook or a beaded liner.

BK, if your instructions are showing the liner hung either way then that confirms they are bead receivers. That is all I was trying to show with my pictures.

For the same liner to fit either way it would have to be a uni bead. The two beads are different, a j-hook will not fit into a beaded slot and stay. It can however be on the same liner as a regular bead, giving an either or option.

Sorry if I confused anyone, Dennis

[matt4x4]

OK, because your cover likely had water on it, it dispersed the water under it (pushed it up some) so it ran out the hole because of the "apparently higher" water level, thus the 1" difference between your opening and after filling.
3 inches in a week should be a relatively easy hole to find, it might look like a fingernail dent (half moon) - many turn out like that.
Also, look at that approximate level around the outside of the wall, you may have a small localized dent protruding from the wall where the cut might be if something hit it from the inside.

[bkwudz]

Some more info. It is confirmed, i have a j hook liner, it is different from the one shown at the pool store because i upgraded to 25 gauge liner when i bought the pool. The pool comes standard with a 20 gauge beaded liner. So Either liner will work with the pool i have now, the only question now is if its worth pulling all the rails to replace the liner with a 25 gauge or just go with the beaded liner and be done with it.

Beaded or j hook???

You guys have any opinions on padding for under the liner and foam cove??

Thanks for all you help.