help with adjusting please

[poolhelp101]

i will get borax and do that right away.
new problem....this morning the pool was hazy...i began to vacuum the crap out of the bottom, slowly, but now the pool is completely clouded over again. cannot see the bottom. it didn't appear that anything was coming back thru the jets, but apparently it was??? should i shut the filter off and see if it will settle down and try vacuuming again or do i need to continue to run my filter 24/7? help!!!

[mbar]

One thing I don't like to recommend too often is to use a clarifier or a floc. If you use a flocculant, then you would add it to the pool, let it circulate for about 1 hour or two, or what is says on the bottle, and then turn the filter off for 24 hours. This will let everything fall to the bottom and then can be vacuumed to waste. The reason your pool probably clouded up is that the particles were so small that they just floated back into the water. Once the floc binds with the particles they get heavy and fall to the bottom of the pool. I like to vacuum to waste, cause then they are out of there, but you can vacuum to the filter and then backwash if water is expensive. Another thing that helps it to put a skimmer sock, or a cut pair of pantyhose on the skimmer basket to catch the fine particles before they go into the filter. THe first time I was dealing with metals, and using a pool store, my water was so messed up - too much calcium, too many chemicals they had me add, that it was just a mess. I drained 1/3 of the pool, refilled, added floc, let it sit for 48 hours, and vacuumed to waste. So after much money and many headaches I started to find out about pool chemicals and found this site. Since then I have stayed away from pool stores and my pool has never looked better. The philosophy is to put as little as you can in your water and keep it clean with Bleach. That is one of the reasons I would only use the floc when the water is not clearing and you have put some other chems in the pool. Now I add sequesterant (I have a well), bleach, borax, and baking soda if necessary. I add a little calcium to the pool (fiberglass pools seem to need some calcium to keep thier warranty). I try to keep to the philosophy of this forum - less is better when it comes to chemicals, and a good test kit is key so that you can take control of your own water.

[poolhelp101]

i quit the pool store in mid seaon last year after finding this forum. and this season i haven't added anything except the bleach until i had the metal problem, then i added the pool magnet plus. i don't understand what i'm doing wrong but apparently something. so do i now not add the borax until after i use the floc and try to get that cleared up first? sorry for yet another question. thanks

[mbar]

No, put in the borax now, you want to have your ph back at 7.0, to 7.2 for now. I just looked up pool magent plus and it lists it's ingreadient as "sodium hydrochlorite" which I looked up and said it was basically bleach here are the two links:
http://www.bioguard.com/msds/docs/1261041.PDF

http://www.answers.com/topic/sodium-hypochlorite

So I don't know why it says it will lift metal stains - it should lift any organic stains. It also says that if can cause cloudiness in the pool water. So I don't think you did anything wrong. I would stick to Jack's Magic the pink or purple stuff, or metal free, or metal magic - these are the ones I have tried and they all work. I will try to do some more research.

As for your main question - I would add the borax to get your ph up, and then do the flocculant. This way while the water is standing still it is not acidic. If after the water clears and you still have stains, then I will help you get rid of them. Don't worry, your pool will be fine soon

[waste]

Hi Marie, good to see you back! Hope your winter was good!! Got your pm on this and the MSDS's don't lie, that magnet is just bleach, I suppose that BIO-Guard thinks it's better to have the metals stain the walls, etc rather than be in suspension

I have all the faith in the world that you will be able to help PH101, but if I can help in any way, I'll keep my eye on this thread

[waterbear]

No, put in the borax now, you want to have your ph back at 7.0, to 7.2 for now. I just looked up pool magent plus and it lists it's ingreadient as "sodium hydrochlorite" which I looked up and said it was basically bleach here are the two links:
http://www.bioguard.com/msds/docs/1261041.PDF

http://www.answers.com/topic/sodium-hypochlorite

So I don't know why it says it will lift metal stains - it should lift any organic stains. It also says that if can cause cloudiness in the pool water. So I don't think you did anything wrong. I would stick to Jack's Magic the pink or purple stuff, or metal free, or metal magic - these are the ones I have tried and they all work. I will try to do some more research.

Marie, that is the MSDS for the Pool Magnet demo kit chlorine solution, Not for Pool magnet plus. Here is the MSDS for that

http://www.bioguard.com/msds/docs/123450.pdf

It is a phosponic acid derivative (HEDP) as Richard said above just like Jack's Magic, Metal Magic and about 95% of all the other seqeserants on the market.

I do not know exactly what the demo kit is for but It contains the bleach solution and an iron solution so I think it is to show how the pool magnet will prevent iron staining from high chlorine levels for dealers to use to sell the product.

[mbar]

Oh, my mistake, I just googled Pool Magnet Plus, and that was the one that come up first - at least that makes more sense Poolhelp, maybe if you can go somewhere and get your water tested, you can see if you have high calcium. But the floc should work. Aslo when using a metal sequestering agent they are highly acidic and can be what is keeping your ph low. You will need to add some borax to get it up to 7.0 - sometimes it takes a lot if there is a lot of acid in the product. So your ph may even be lower than 6.8. Keep us informed - these guys(waterbear, wate and chem geek) really know their chemistry Thanks

[poolhelp101]

i will get to a pool store to test my water, hopefully tomorrow. after about 16 hours with the floc, the pool has cleared about 20%. i can see the bottom of the pool in the shallow end and this end is not that clear but i can see the bottom. i cannot see the bottom at all in the deep end. cl is 5, ph is 6.8. should the pool be any clearer than it is now after adding the floc? do i turn the filter back on after the 24 hour wait period even if it isn't any clearer? and if i am to turn it back on, do i add the borax? anything else i need to do?