Farmgirl, you are by no means a pain. You were just making an observation. When beaded liners fit correctly you and Matt are both correct, they are very easy to install and very pretty. When they don't fit right, ouch.

I agree 100% with Matt's percentages. That's exactly what we see here in Arizona.

I sure wish we would here back from Newbie. It is so rare for this to happen in this way, I just have a lot of questions. Most of the time the liner will simply slip out of the coping, leaving the wall upright. I have seen this happen under the skimmer where the liner can't slip out, once in a while. I hate unsolved mysteries.

Dennis