Steve's pool project 1-24-07

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Steve,

Addition of the bubblers, a great idea. I have one on my ledge. However, make sure the plumbers plumb those things with enough spacing to where they will not cause a disruption in water feature. What I mean is, one will tend to be dominant over the other if they are too close together. It has nothing to do with water flow out of the pipes but the ripples in the water they create. One will tend to distort the effect of the other. I looked at 3 different pools from several builders with this existing problem. That is why I decided on one bubbler over two. Hope that makes sense.

Based on your updated plan, have you considered moving one of the pool lights into the deep end? I think you and I think alike. I did not want to see the lights (mounted in the pool) from where I am sitting by the pool or from inside the house. However, with your aggregate finish, you are going to need as much light spread through that pool as possible. Your light will be very muted towards the back. Just my 2 cents worth. Again, the design looks great. Keep us posted.

I never even thought that the bubbles would cause a problem. The ledge is about 8' long so I would guess the spacing will be 3-4 feet. Do you think that is enough to prevent the issue you are talking about?

This is my first pool so I am not sure how well lights work but I did want to have light without seeing them and that why we moved them to where they are. It would seem like there should be plenty of light as one points right in the deep end and the other towards the shallow. If I move one to the deep end it seems like the lighting would be more uneven. Should I ask the builder to make them both 500 Watt lights instead of 300 and install a dimmer? Thanks!

Steve

[divnkd101]

I never even thought that the bubbles would cause a problem. The ledge is about 8' long so I would guess the spacing will be 3-4 feet. Do you think that is enough to prevent the issue you are talking about?

This is my first pool so I am not sure how well lights work but I did want to have light without seeing them and that why we moved them to where they are. It would seem like there should be plenty of light as one points right in the deep end and the other towards the shallow. If I move one to the deep end it seems like the lighting would be more uneven. Should I ask the builder to make them both 500 Watt lights instead of 300 and install a dimmer? Thanks!

Steve,
This is where you put yourself in the trick bag. The bubblers I looked at were probably spaced 24-36 inches apart. Without taking away from the look you are going for, I would say the wider the better.

As for lights, I am probably not the one to ask that question. There are several individuals in this forum that can better answer that question. I will tell you that my PB talked me out of spacing my lights too close and I am glad he did. I truly like how the light is dispersed in mine. Obviously, your PB is going to do what you ask him to do but hopefully he is also willing to offer his opinion as well. My advice to you is to ask him to take a look at pools he has constructed (same aggregate finish, lights, etc.) and go look at them in the day and at night. That should help you in your decision making process. Good Luck.

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Steve,
This is where you put yourself in the trick bag. The bubblers I looked at were probably spaced 24-36 inches apart. Without taking away from the look you are going for, I would say the wider the better.

As for lights, I am probably not the one to ask that question. There are several individuals in this forum that can better answer that question. I will tell you that my PB talked me out of spacing my lights too close and I am glad he did. I truly like how the light is dispersed in mine. Obviously, your PB is going to do what you ask him to do but hopefully he is also willing to offer his opinion as well. My advice to you is to ask him to take a look at pools he has constructed (same aggregate finish, lights, etc.) and go look at them in the day and at night. That should help you in your decision making process. Good Luck.

I will see how wide we can get them. One of my neighbors has 2 bubblers as well. I will go measure how far apart they are. Also these bubblers are going to be in 6" of water so I am not sure if the problem would be better or worse in deeper water.

I will take a look at some pools at night to see how the lighting looks. Thanks!

Steve

[huskyrider]

Water oscillation most affects pool return eyeball fountains as opposed to foaming fountain jets by a Mfg such as Crystal Fountains.
Do you know which type your pool builder has spec'd in.
My guess is that it's pool returns eyeballs. I say this because if I'm tossing them in to close a deal they're very affordably installed.

I'm curious, how much of an allowance have you been allocated for the fountains?

On another note, I think two 300 lamps placed where they are now will do fine, you could even drop down to two 250's.

See ya,
Kelly

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Water oscillation most affects pool return eyeball fountains as opposed to foaming fountain jets by a Mfg such as Crystal Fountains.
Do you know which type your pool builder has spec'd in.
My guess is that it's pool returns eyeballs. I say this because if I'm tossing them in to close a deal they're very affordably installed.

I'm curious, how much of an allowance have you been allocated for the fountains?

On another note, I think two 300 lamps placed where they are now will do fine, you could even drop down to two 250's.

See ya,
Kelly

I will find out about the bubblers. I just looked at the foam jet from crystal and that is exactly the effect I want. He said the bubblers were like $200.00 so I hope they are more then just eyeballs.

I think I am going to go with LED lighting for the pool lights. I think the 2 LED lights in that location will give a nice effect. Thanks!

Steve

[huskyrider]

Try the Hayward Colorlogic lamps. You'll find them to be awesome.

See ya,
Kelly

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Try the Hayward Colorlogic lamps. You'll find them to be awesome.

See ya,
Kelly

Kelly,
My PB says they use the intellibrite (http://www.pentairpool.com/pdfs/lighting/lighting.pdf) from Pentair and claims they are very similar. Do you or anyone else here have any experience with them? Thanks!

Steve

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They started today! They are digging the hole and doing the steel. I will post pictures later.

Steve