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    Default Help - where to start?

    Well I"ve had great success with our pool this year (first time pool owner) due to all of the great information and advice here. And my test kit which makes me look like a mad scientist every Saturday morning as I test the chemistry of the water.

    Now, it's time to close. I have no idea where to start. We have an inground gunite pool with a side spillover spa, SWG, cartridge filter, and floor cleaning system. We have a mesh cover as well.

    Where do I start? I would prefer to not have to call a service and I would like to close tomorrow.

    Thanks in advance for all of the great advice.

    Kevin

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    Kevin, welcome to the forum!
    The first place to start is with the 'stickies' at the top of this area. (A good read through www.poolsolutions.com is also recommended - I, personally, feel that everyone should take the time 2X a month and reread everything there as it is the ULTIMATE base for all that we talk about here)
    That said, your first priority is chemistry and having a clean pool. Brush the sides and floor (to expose any little 'hot spots' of pre algae that might be trying to catch hold), then vacuum the pool, thoroughly!
    I'll assume that you've been on top of your chems, if everything is in order, add a quart of 'poly60' algicide (some people don't believe in this but I do, just as insurance), let the pool circulate for at least 4 hours, though a day is better. Now add a shock dose of chlorine, as per Ben's Best Guess Chart with respect to your cya level and let the pump run for, at least 4 more hours.
    OK, chems are set and ready for the winter, and the pool is clean. Now it's time to dump some water (actually, with your in floor system, the water could be lowered first, then the chem adjustments). When I worked in Richmond Va, we would take the water below the returns, up in Ct, we only lower it below the skimmer (s). As you can reasonably expect to get the 'tag' end of a hurricane, if not the full force of one, where you are, I'd say to lower the water 2' below the coping, as you have a mesh cover that will allow the pool to refill over the winter.
    The next thing is line protection, gotta keep those pipes from bursting! The way to do this is to evacuate the water from the lines (and, if possible add antifreeze, propoline glycol). To get the water out of the pipes, you can either use a shop vac to suck the water out of the above 'water line' pipes, or put it in reverse (ie blow) the water out of them. once a line is empty of water add antifreeze and plug the line, so no water can enter it when the water level rises. For the skimmers, I'd get a Gizzmo, which screws into the suction port and will 'absorb' any ice expansion which may occur.
    The main drain and floor returns should be blown out, force air backwards through the pipe from the filter system, until they bubble - and then slam the valve shut. With your in floor system, remove the actuator valve assembly (the top with all the working parts) and blow each port individually, quickly plugging each port after it's heads bubble ( this keeps the water in the pipes below the frost line, thereby protecting them).
    I know that 'down South' a lot of people don't take their equipment inside for the winter, but if you can, do it - it'll save a little wear and tear on it. Be sure to give the carts a good cleaning (there are posts here on how to properly clean a filter).
    Now just throw the cover on (advice available if you start a new post)

    As you have a 'safety cover', it's simplicity itself to check the water (test) occasionally, and add a little bleach when the cl levels get low (the down side of mesh covers is that they will allow an algae bloom, if the water is not tested and treated on a regular basis - the up side is that it's easy to pull back a corner and check the water and dose as needed).
    I hope that this at least gives you a starting point, and let's you save some $ by doing the closing yourself - if you need any more info, feel free to ask! Again, welcome to the forum, you made a great choice by comming here and taking control of your pool! - Waste
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    Default Re: Help - where to start?

    Thanks for the reply. Yes, the chemistry is great have been testing all season with the 234s kit. I still have a few questions:

    With regard to the floor cleaning system, do I disassemble the control valves (two little mushroomish things sticking out of the ground) and blow out from there?

    I looked into the box with all of the stoppers for closing, for what are the wedge shaped stoppers used (looks like a wedge with the tip cut off)?

    Also, I have a heater that I failed to mention, anything special about winterizing it?

    Thanks again,
    Kevin

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    Kevin,
    Yes, remove the tops for the cleaners and blow and plug each line. Then cover the units (The tops won't go back on with the lines plugged)
    The only thing that comes to mind for the wedges is ladder/ handrail anchor cup freeze protection. Are they the right size and number for this?
    For the heater, there should be a petcock or winterizing plug on the bottom of the manifold (where the pipes come in and out) which should be opened and left open. Also, most of the 'box shaped heaters' have a pressure switch which should be removed so that the water can drain from that line. It helps to blow some air through the heater lines once drains and pressure switch line are open.
    Luv & Luk, Ted

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    Default Re: Help - where to start?

    Well, I'm partially finished. The wedge shaped stoppers actually went into the control valves for the floor cleaning system. It was actually pretty slick, as they have a valve on top for compressed air. Hooked up the air compressor and blew them all out pretty quickly.

    So I have the return side taken care of. However, I can't figure out how to do the suction side. The skimmer feeds into a "basket/net" next to it which also is connected to the floor cleaning system (suction). This is a long chamber with two pipes on the bottom and two on the top. This is the one I haven't figured out.

    I also have a lot of stoppers left which I can't figure out where they go.

    Also, I learned the hard way that it takes a special tool to install the loop-loc mesh cover. I'll try to find one tomorrow.

    Thanks again,
    Kevin

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