Help! Used Muratic acid instead of bleach!

[SLR_65]

Hi Richard,

THANKS for the reply! I was pretty nervous about the pool! I surfed this forum but I couldn't find a calculation or even rule of thumb on the borax usage and I just couldn't sit on my hands . . .

*) I removed the filter from my pump so it would move the water unimpeded, figured it would help mix the water better.

*) Though the Intexs have side in and outs I do have a skimmer adapter and little floating basket so I dumped in 4lbs (one box) of Borax.

*) I'm letting the pump run for a couple hours and will recheck my Ph.

Now, on to your comments . . .

*) My TA is high from the moment I fill the pool - runs around 150 to 180 all the time. Last year it got a little cloudy, but this year no problems.

*) If you calculate the volume of a round pool it always calcs higher than what Intex says - they say it's around 2,824 gallons, so the Ph may be even lower!

*) The Ph was around 7.6 last I chekced before he bombed it.

*) I did add about 38 lbs of solar salt a while back just to see if I could tell the difference (we really can't).

*) I've never added anything to the pool this year except bleach, CYA (currently at 40ppm), and the salt. No borax or anything else has been added.

> Good luck. I'd hate to be your son right now.

Yeah, I did kinda jump on him . . . it doesn't look like or smell like bleach, it FUMES when you pour it, and ITS IN A BOTTLE LABLED MURATIC ACID! At 15-1/2 we thought he could handle it, but it looks like Dad will exclusively handle the pool chems from now on!

I'll let ya know how it goes - thanks again!

Steve

[SLR_65]

OK, just ran some tests . . .

*) I'm using a Taylor drop wise test kit.
*) Ph has risen dramatically - it's now a solid 8 and that's the top of the scale.
*) I hadn't ran a TA test in a long time, it's always ran high but hasn't really caused any problems so I've ignored it. Tonight the TA tested to 260!

I'm going to let the pump run over night without a filter just to make sure I got a good mix on the pool and I'll test it again tomorrow afternoon.

If things stay the same then I think I would need to:

*) Add some muratic acid to lower the Ph, this time in a more controlled manner!
*) Haul my Dad's air compressor over and bubble air into the pool which will lower the TA and raise the Ph.
*) Use muratic acid again to lower the Ph if it climbs too high.
*) Keep doing this dance till I get a more reasonable TA and Ph reading.

Am I on the right track?

Thanks!

Steve

[KurtV]

I wouldn't get carried away trying to lower your alkalinity just yet. If it hasn't caused you problems in the past there's really nothing to suggest that it will cause you problems now.

Did you have a problem maintaining your pH in the recommended range (7.2 - 7.8) before the incident with the acid? Did you have problems with scaling? If the answer to both those questions is no, I'd get the pH back into range with, as you mentioned, small doses of acid and not worry much about the alkalinity. Even if you did answer yes to either or both of those questions, I'd work on the pH alone until it was reasonably stable for a couple of days before mucking with the alkalinity.

[Watermom]

Although Kurt is correct in saying that since your alk hasn't caused you problems before, it probably isn't a crisis situation to lower it, since you need to lower your ph anyways, you might as well work on the alk, too. The "ratcheting" procedure you stated is correct. Use acid to lower ph and alk, then aerate the ph back up.

Yes to the part about adding the acid in a more controlled manner this time!

[SLR_65]

Hi,

In the past the water did get a little cloudy but would clear up after bubbling air into it for a bit. This year no problems with that so far. No, no scaling I've seen either.

I think you're right - I'll work on the Ph and see what happens and just deal with what comes up.

Thanks!

Steve

[chem geek]

And generally add half the recommended amounts and see where you are at, even if the recommendation is from me.

I'm not sure why you swung so high in pH. Maybe your son didn't actually put in as much as he said or my calculations could be wrong (in which case, I'd like to find out and fix it). It's been right with others using Borax so I'm not sure what happened and I'm really sorry for any trouble this caused.

Richard

[rastoma]

4 cups of bleach?! Why 4 cups because of rain? Was your FC at zero?

at 2800 gallons of water and an average FC of around 4, 4 cups of bleach would run it to what.... like 24 or 25ppm? that's shock level for CYA at over 100. Is your CYA that high?

[KurtV]

4 cups of 6% bleach in 2800 gallons of water should increase the chlorine by a little over 5 ppm.

[waterbear]

And generally add half the recommended amounts and see where you are at, even if the recommendation is from me.

I'm not sure why you swung so high in pH. Maybe your son didn't actually put in as much as he said or my calculations could be wrong (in which case, I'd like to find out and fix it). It's been right with others using Borax so I'm not sure what happened and I'm really sorry for any trouble this caused.

Richard

A full box of borax is 4 lbs 12 oz.....almost 5 lbs. That could explain the pH rise. 3/4 to 1 cup of acid should get you back into the ballpark by my calculations.

[chem geek]

A full box of borax is 4 lbs 12 oz.....almost 5 lbs. That could explain the pH rise. 3/4 to 1 cup of acid should get you back into the ballpark by my calculations.

Evan,

From our previous discussions and your own experience, 1 box of Borax (4 pounds, 12 ounces) requires 4 cups, 7 ounces of Muriatic Acid to balance the pH. If his son did put in 4 cups of Muriatic Acid, then I would expect about 4 pounds of Borax would be required to neutralize it. About a pound of Borax is equivalent to a cup of Muriatic Acid.

Of course, he saw a much larger rise so something is amiss. Either his son did not in fact put in 4 full cups of acid, or more than 4 pounds of Borax was used, or our calculations our wrong.

Richard