Why not use liquid chorine instead of bleach ?

[brent.roberts]

The wild card in the cost equation of Canadain Tire chlorine or pool store "liquid chlorine" is that at 10 to 12% solutions, it is unstable and will relatively quickly degrade.

If the shipping and storage was not up to par, you may be getting only 7 or 8% by the time you stand at the edge of the pool and start pouring.

5 or 6% solutions, on the other hand are relatively stable and you should get pretty much everything you paid for, into the pool.

[aquarium]

The wild card in the cost equation of Canadain Tire chlorine or pool store "liquid chlorine" is that at 10 to 12% solutions, it is unstable and will relatively quickly degrade.

If the shipping and storage was not up to par, you may be getting only 7 or 8% by the time you stand at the edge of the pool and start pouring.

5 or 6% solutions, on the other hand are relatively stable and you should get pretty much everything you paid for, into the pool.

Not saying you're wrong, but this assertion is supported where?

[brent.roberts]

It has been frequently reported on this forum that the 12% stuff was unstable and I had a discussion with the manager of a local pool store manager and he readily admitted the degredation is a problem. He has 2 small ( 5000 litre ) tanks and gets weekly small deliveries so he can control his stock on a first-in first-out basic. Keeps it fresher than one 10,000 gallon tank where new stuff gets mixed with old stuff.

There is a chemical engineer type here who worked at a chlorine production facility and posted recently. I hope he sees this thread and can cite some more authoritative sources.

[cleancloths]

It has been frequently reported on this forum that the 12% stuff was unstable and I had a discussion with the manager of a local pool store manager and he readily admitted the degredation is a problem. He has 2 small ( 5000 litre ) tanks and gets weekly small deliveries so he can control his stock on a first-in first-out basic. Keeps it fresher than one 10,000 gallon tank where new stuff gets mixed with old stuff.

There is a chemical engineer type here who worked at a chlorine production facility and posted recently. I hope he sees this thread and can cite some more authoritative sources.

YUP, we at one time looked at making high strength bleach (this is back in the 1980's) and decided against it because of the degredation issues. You typically use a nickel or iron catalyst in the bleach production process and trace metals that remain in the bleach cause it to rapidly break down. So, you are best to stick with 6% or lower bleach - as you know that you will actually be getting what you pay for.

As far as the temps in Canada, Montreal can actually be hotter at times in the summer than NYC!

[giroup01]

You typically use a nickel or iron catalyst in the bleach production process and trace metals that remain in the bleach cause it to rapidly break down. So, you are best to stick with 6% or lower bleach - as you know that you will actually be getting what you pay for.

As far as the temps in Canada, Montreal can actually be hotter at times in the summer than NYC!

Yup that's exactly what I read somewhere, temperature, pH and metal content break it down to various degrees. Thanks for confirming that.

As for Montreal, yes, sometimes it does get quite hot here. I hope CarlD saw the humour in my last post, we don't really have fleece lined swimwear... yet!

[KurtV]

Here's a pretty readable paper on sodium hypochlorite production and use. On about the thrid page, paragraph 2.4, it explains the breakdown process. Bottom line, as you double the strength you quadruple the breakdown rate.

http://www.odysseymanufacturing.com/bleach_information.doc