Could this be algae or dirt/pollen?

[swimmy]

I am having a similar problem. I have shocked the pool and it stays free of yellowish brown powder which collects in the same spots of the liner each time until I turn on the filtration. (It poofs when swept and vaccuums easily). I have shocked and treated with yellow rid. The pool water is perfectly clear and the pool floor will stay clear for days UNTIL I turn the filtration system on. I too believe it is coming from jets. I have backwashed and rinsed and poured in the recommended amt. of filter cleaner. Could the filter sand need to be changed. If this residue is in the pipes how do I push it out?

[itstoohot]

We may be nearing the end of this thing. I've been keeping the CL at shock levels consistently for about 3-4 days now and vacuuming and cleaning cartridges religiously. One thing that I was forgetting was to brush (don't know how I missed that one), so I started that yesterday and what a difference today was. So little on the floor that I vacuumed again this morning and nothing has shown back up so far. I also replaced a ripped air relief screen in the filter. Not sure if that was contributing to any of the problem.

Anyway, for fun, here's our bleach container graveyard for the past few days -

[joliecharlie]

I realize this is an old post but I have this same problem now. I had it in the fall, thought it was taken care of but IT"S BACK! So I guess I didn't really have it taken care of!

today:
I have brushed, vacuum and shocked to 15ppm
CC-O
CYA 45 (tested between 40-50)
PH 7.5
vinyl lined 18X36 inground

I'd like to know if I should go higher with the Chlorine,if so how much higher and for how long.

My pool has full sun all day, the CYA is usually higher, has dropped from 60 over the last few months.

I sure hate to see my Pool Solutions kit run out of components...it is the best!

[Watermom]

Post your chlorine reading and then someone here can better advise you.

[chem geek]

If it's powdery and yellow or mustard color, then it's likely to be yellow/mustard algae and that takes more chlorine to kill and to keep away. I would shock at a higher level 20-25 ppm FC and you can lower your pH some (say, to 7.2) before adding the chlorine since the large amount of chlorine will raise your pH (which makes it a little less effective). Keep the chlorine up until the powder is gone and does not reappear and keep brushing it so it mixes with the water and gets full exposure to the chlorine.

You probably had your CYA too high at 60 since that would mean needing to keep your FC at a minimum of about 7 ppm FC. If you maintain 30-40 ppm CYA, then you could keep a minimum of 5 ppm FC (maybe a little less) and probably keep this mustard/yellow algae away. Some users report that they need a higher chlorine level to keep the algae away -- roughly the Max level on Ben's chart or the 0.07 column in my chart while others are OK with the mid-levels or the 0.05 column.

Do you remember what your FC level was when this algae first appeared? That will help us confirm or adjust our recommendations.

Richard

[joliecharlie]

As I posted... my chlorine reading was 15ppm last night
No CC ever

I checked this morning and it is still 15 ppm!

So maybe I have over reacted but this stuff sure looks funky. It is like a red dust, just like the photos at the beginning of the this thread.

It dissipates into a cloud when brushed. There is just a little bit of it this morning.

We have lost CYA via dumping excess water due to heavy rains and backflushing. We normally keep the CYA higher because we have full sun exposure ALL day and cannot keep chlorine. Keeping it higher has pretty much solved that problem. It may not work for everyone, but it works for our pool.
Thanks

[Watermom]

Sorry - for some reason, I just didn't see where you had posted your chlorine reading. I'm gonna let ChemGeek help you with this. I'm actually out of town and just popping on to the forum on a laptop. Getting ready to head back to Charleston in a little bit. ChemGeek or somebody else will be around this afternoon and can give you some help. Good luck.

[chem geek]

Well, if your chlorine is holding, then it isn't breaking anything more down and if the dust or algae or whatever it was is gone, then it is probably killed and filtered or broken down. If it was truly red (the pictures at the start of this forum look more green/yellow to me and that's more like mustard/yellow algae), then this could either be non-algae like dirt or could be a red algae (there is that type of algae, but it's usually not found in pools as far as I can tell).

Anyway, it does sound like you've solved your "red dust" problem. On the CYA amount, I am surprised that 60 ppm CYA makes that much of a difference compared to 30 ppm CYA. In theory, it would only increase the half-life of chlorine (in direct noontime sun) from around 6 hours to 7 hours which isn't that much of a difference. Of course, whatever works for you is what is best.

Let your chlorine drop to "normal" levels but keep it as suggested at around 6 ppm FC or so minimum (at your current 40-50 ppm CYA level) and see if this stuff returns. If it does, then you can try shocking to higher levels (20-25 ppm) as I mentioned in my earlier post.

Richard

[joliecharlie]

Let your chlorine drop to "normal" levels but keep it as suggested at around 6 ppm FC or so minimum (at your current 40-50 ppm CYA level) and see if this stuff returns. If it does, then you can try shocking to higher levels (20-25 ppm) as I mentioned in my earlier post.

Richard[/QUOTE]

Hi Richard,
Just checked the chlorine after full day of sun and 80-85 degree weather here in NC.
FC has dropped by 5ppm since this morning. (Remember it held stable overnight at 15ppm)

Is it normal to lose that much chlorine in a day?

[chem geek]

That does seem a bit high for a drop. Losing half of the chlorine over a day is more typical -- so 15 ppm to 7-8 ppm would be more "normal". Then again, I could be wrong about those half-life numbers. They seem to be correct for most pools, but there's no arguing whatever it is that you are seeing in your pool. It's also not like you are in south Florida or the middle of summer. Maybe there is in fact some algae in your pool and it is growing more during the day and consuming more chlorine, but typically if it holds overnight then this means the algae is gone. Sorry I don't have a good answer for you.

Richard