First Post: Constructing a low cost pool for a fitness club

[PoolDoc]

No threads like that here; quite possibly none elsewhere either. Commercial pool operators -- like you intend to be -- are in-&-out on forums. They show up, ask questions, either get answers or not, and then leave. They don't become part of the community. As a result, there's no information sharing.

However, I can tell you, the 'budget' fitness pool is a goal of many fitness center operators: I've seen the pools that result. And, as a fitness swimmer, I tell you that they are essentially unusable.

[Pool Masters and Hustlers]

Hmmm alright... Well would you be able to point me in the right direction? I guess from what your saying there's no such thing.. Alright sounds understandable. Ok what's a pool you would actually swim at that you could build for the least amount of funds. Than could you tell me what's a people you'd be impressed with because if I'm gonna do it perhaps I should do right. I see that you feel people like my self may not have much to add to the forum but I would actually like to learn and I'm willing to give back.

[PoolDoc]

If you're "gonna do it", you're have to do it in a way that makes money . . . which is NOT the "right way", except at the very high end.

And, to be 'frank', you have neither the expertise, nor the budget to go there.

Even at the high end, pools are mostly marketing devices for fitness centers, rather than actual focus areas for users. For some reason, many fitness center customers put a lot of importance on a center HAVING a pool, even though the users mostly -- once they join -- do not USE the pool.

I've worked with various fitness centers and country clubs over the years, and can tell you that, almost without exception, fitness center and country club managers HATE their pools, and live in FEAR of them. Operating locally, I was able to 'exploit' that, by providing service contracts through which they paid me to make sure their pool ran as well as possible, given the often half-a## design and equipment they had. But it's not a service I could provide here, even if I wanted to do so.

Honestly, if you can come up with a successful business plan for a budget fitness center that does NOT involve a pool, you'd be wise to do so.

[Pool Masters and Hustlers]

I couldn't have found a better person to talk to about such an issue. You are right based on what I know most people do not actually use the pool. Its a shame what fitness clubs, health centers, gyms have become. I can't say I'm too proud. If your advice is to do it the right way well than thats the way I'm going to do it.

So what do you do now for employment?

I'll create some scenarios where I do not include a pool in my business plan. Although the places I would like to compete against I would have a advantage over them if I offered more services and amenities. This is going to be an interesting 3 years. If you could summarize why its so difficult to build a pool, I'm still having issues grasping the concept. To me it doesn't make sense why an item thats designed to hold water, keep it at a certain temp, filter it, and so forth has to cost so much? Must have something to do with the support structures that hold the water together? and all the reacquiring costs of maintenance? as well as the cost of materials to build the pool? but why is it so much?

Why can't we just get a hallowed out metallic tank, add some filters, add some temp controllers and some support beams and fill that with water? I know I probably struck a nerve with that but why can't there be an reasonable solution.

Also I would like to be a little more serious with this forum if you could bump me up. Trying to edit the profile to give you guys what you want.

[PoolDoc]

Nope. Sorry.

Commercial pool Q & A is low priority for me. It's what I do locally, and I'm *very* familiar with the problems, issues, and solutions. But none of those things mix with the forum well, nor do responses here serve the forum generally.

Given that my time is limited, I'm simply not willing to put more into answering your questions. There are pool designers and consultants available: you may want to spend some time with one of those.

Good luck . . . and I'm done here.

[CarlD]

I couldn't have found a better person to talk to about such an issue. You are right based on what I know most people do not actually use the pool. Its a shame what fitness clubs, health centers, gyms have become. I can't say I'm too proud. If your advice is to do it the right way well than thats the way I'm going to do it.

So what do you do now for employment?

I'll create some scenarios where I do not include a pool in my business plan. Although the places I would like to compete against I would have a advantage over them if I offered more services and amenities. This is going to be an interesting 3 years. If you could summarize why its so difficult to build a pool, I'm still having issues grasping the concept. To me it doesn't make sense why an item thats designed to hold water, keep it at a certain temp, filter it, and so forth has to cost so much? Must have something to do with the support structures that hold the water together? and all the reacquiring costs of maintenance? as well as the cost of materials to build the pool? but why is it so much?

Why can't we just get a hallowed out metallic tank, add some filters, add some temp controllers and some support beams and fill that with water? I know I probably struck a nerve with that but why can't there be an reasonable solution.

Also I would like to be a little more serious with this forum if you could bump me up. Trying to edit the profile to give you guys what you want.

I'm probably going to regret this, but you need to learn a LOT more about pools before you are even READY to explore building one for your "health club".

To give you SOME idea of what you face: A 60'x20'x4' deep pool contains 156 TONS of water--that's right--The water ALONE weighs as much as 78 automobiles! Plus water is reactive with almost everything--so protection of the structure is critical from corrosion.

Quite frankly, I use my local YMCA for a gym, but if they had a pool like you describe, I'd be out of there like a shot!

Just my 2 cents, and I'm NOT in the pool business.

[Pool Masters and Hustlers]

I just don't understand why its so hard to find information on this topic. I try to tell people I'm serious about doing this and every person has basically laughed in my face.

Yeah I know I'm inexperienced. Don't really have the capital to do this. Probably way in it over my head. But can't someone dream? can't they at least try to learn the craft. I am at a big disadvantage and I understand that.

Knowing a little bit about my circumstances is anyone willing to point me in the right direction? Everyone is saying it cannot be done, what if I told you it has to be done... than what?

[PoolDoc]

Your question is sort of like asking, "How can I buy and have delivered, a pro-quality lifting bar and a full set of plates, from 10 lbs to 100bls each, for $100?"


I promise -- we'll spend more on YOUR question, when you *successfully* answer the one above. OK?

Seriously, dude -- listen to yourself! You were ENTIRELY correct, when you wrote:

Yeah I know I'm inexperienced. Don't really have the capital to do this. Probably way in it over my head.

But you were only half-right when you wrote this:

I am at a big disadvantage and I understand that.

You ARE at a big disadvantage, but you do NOT understand it: if you did, you'd understand what we've been trying to tell you somewhat politely.

So, it's time to be "FranK" rather than polite: It is NOT possible to build a functional indoor lap pool in the US for $25,000. And, you're being dumb by continuing to ask. Come back when you have a budget of $300,000 for a CHEAP indoor lap pool! That *might* be possible.

[PoolDoc]

Yeah I know I'm inexperienced. Don't really have the capital to do this. Probably way in it over my head.

Let's just leave it right there, and stop wasting your time, and ours.

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