Help Sizing and Selecting Natural Gas Heater for AGP

[patrick3229]

The efficiency rating on that Raypak heater is 82% unfortunately I do not have dB rating.

In regards to the heat pumps.... Heat pumps draw in the outside air to heat the water so as the outside temperature drops the efficiency and effectiveness of the heat pump drops, typically all of the performance data on the heat pumps is set at an outside temperature of 82 degrees. So even if the unit can work at the lower temperature they will be far less efficient then when operating at warmer temperatures.

[bottomcat]

patrick3229, I agree. I love the idea of a heat pump (and hate the idea of paying a big gas bill) but with the money already invested in the pool and deck, I want it to be comfy!

What factors contribute towards reliability in your opinion?

[BigDave]

@bottomcat: how do you expect to use the pool / heater when the weather turns chilly? Are you thinking you'll heat it when you want to swim or keep it warm so it'll be ready when you are?

Me, I don't open until until memorial day because of the pollen and pods. The swim season is pretty much over when the kids return to school school after Labor Day. Maybe, if the weather is with us we can sneak a dip for a week or two after school starts.

[bottomcat]

@BigDave: I'm not really sure. I guess a combination of both. When the kids are home from school, I'll probably set it to stay at 75 or so and leave it on 24/7 for a few weeks at least. If we get busy doing other things, then maybe I'd just turn it on the night before a swim day. It will depend on how much it ends up costing to heat.

[patrick3229]

In regards to this question "What factors contribute towards reliability in your opinion?" I would say the manufacture actually making the heater we have dealt with all of the major heater manufactures and we have had very little warranty issues with Raypak and Hayward. I tend to like Raypak a little more as that is all they do is pool heaters and nothing else so they are very focused on this product line.

As far as specific features for reliability you may consider a Cupro Nickel heat exchanger. The main component of a gas heater and by far the most expensive part if it needs to be replaced is the heat exchanger. Most heaters come standard with a copper heat exchanger however you can typically upgrade for a few hundred dollars more to a Cupro Nickel heat exchanger which is a heavy duty heat exchanger which holds up better against your pools chemically treated water, this is a good option if you have a salt pool as well.

[PoolDoc]

The cupro-nickel exchanger refers to is standard on the Hayward Universal models; on other makes of heater, it's an upgrade or a different model.

[bottomcat]

Doc & Pat: Very helpful information. I am leaning towards the Hayward 250k based on price, availability, reviews, and CuNi. I am a little concerned about the water infiltration issues, but I guess I can fabricate something.

Do you recommend draining the heater when not in use?

[PoolDoc]

Yes, it's best to be drained.

I'd check the manual carefully, to make sure you have FULLY winterized it, and that there's not some pocket of water left somewhere that can cause problems.

I was thinking the other day about the infiltration of the panel. One possible good solution would be to get section of SS piano hinge and a small piece of SS sheet metal, and make a lift up panel that would simply lay across the top of the heater and extend out far enough to protect the panel. You couldn't use plastic lest it metal at some point when the top of the heater got to warm.