Convincing significant others about using bleach

[Marsden]

I'll start with some basics the way I understand them.

Thanks Rangeball I think that's an excellent overview.
Maybe once some other people have had their say it should be made a sticky?

I might add (from very recent experience ) that liquid chlorine also presents a risk of spraying onto you if applied on a windy day

[gregugadawg]

you should convince him to use salt, ultimately that is the way to go. I sure hope most would agree on that.

[gregugadawg]

Also I think everything was good about the one post except he didn't really list all of the cons for liquid chlorine. Some cons of using liquid/bleach are that it has a high ph which means you tend to add acid, it has a high tds and increases your tds value fast which can cause you to have to partially drain the pool. Also unless you have a liquid feed system you don't have a constant supply of chlorine in the water. So in the instance of a large party you could easily show a chlorine reading of 0 halfway through the party with no safe way to get chlorine in the water, while using a feed system would allow you to constantly have a residual in the water. I do agree with the rest but I feel like she asked for un-biased advice which would need to include more cons for liquid instead of having to throw away the bottles. Plus pool stores will re-fill your bottles for you anyways. Everything in life has both pros and cons, so be sure to include both.

[Rangeball]

Also I think everything was good about the one post except he didn't really list all of the cons for liquid chlorine. Some cons of using liquid/bleach are that it has a high ph which means you tend to add acid

I stated it has an effect on PH. As for adding acid, I don't expect it to be much, backed up by this info from Ben in his TEKTATs-

"Probably the greatest chemical destruction I see at the large commercial pools results from the fumes of muriatic acid used to control pH. I've literally seen over $100,000 of damage at just one pool. Much of this comes from attempting to follow the dictates of the pool industry TEKTAT: "if you use bleach, you must use lots of acid."

BS! (Barnyard Slush)

Just to keep it short, I'll invite anyone who wants to, come watch me manage a 300,000 gallon pool this summer with less than 5 gallons of acid . . . while using hundreds of gallons of bleach!"

it has a high tds and increases your tds value fast which can cause you to have to partially drain the pool.

Huh? I've had the partial drain happen over and over with stabilized chlorine sources, but never with bleach. Heck, it's a little bit of chlorine gas, a little bit of sodium hydroxide and mostly water.

Also unless you have a liquid feed system you don't have a constant supply of chlorine in the water. So in the instance of a large party you could easily show a chlorine reading of 0 halfway through the party with no safe way to get chlorine in the water, while using a feed system would allow you to constantly have a residual in the water.

If maintains a proper residual this doesn't seem to be the case. We had a large crowd on Memorial day. I had a 4 ppm FC pre-party. After many hours by many people in the pool, it was still 2 ppm.

In my opinion these cons are kind of weak, and you could nit pick any chlorine source like this. I just want to hit the major highlights.

I do agree with the rest but I feel like she asked for un-biased advice which would need to include more cons for liquid instead of having to throw away the bottles. Plus pool stores will re-fill your bottles for you anyways. Everything in life has both pros and cons, so be sure to include both.

Sure they will, for about double the cost of new ones from the grocery store

[halds]

Seems to me that if you have written statements from pool company owners and operators (many members here and Pooldoc himself) that they use bleach, baking soda, and borax in their own pool, there is little else that needs to be said...

Hal

[Rangeball]

Seems to me that if you have written statements from pool company owners and operators (many members here and Pooldoc himself) that they use bleach, baking soda, and borax in their own pool, there is little else that needs to be said...

Hal

Hal, while I agree with you,

Insert Devil's Advocate-

"Your listening to someone on the internet?!

Anybody can put ANYTHING on there!!

They don't care if we ruin our pool. They probably want us to!"

[Rangeball]

you should convince him to use salt, ultimately that is the way to go. I sure hope most would agree on that.

If I could afford SWG, sure. If I get 5 years cell life, It would probably break even with what I pay for grocery store bleach right now, but it would be more convenient.

But then I'd have to use acid do to PH issues still, right?

[Rangeball]

This link-

http://www.poolcenter.com/chlor.htm

has a good discussion of the various types of chlorine used in pools. You have to scroll down a bit to find it.