Sorry correction, the new Superpump would have an operating point around 44 GPM @ 39' of head. I used the wrong pump above.
Sorry correction, the new Superpump would have an operating point around 44 GPM @ 39' of head. I used the wrong pump above.
Mark
Hydraulics 101; Pump Ed 101; Pump/Pool Spreadsheets; Pump Run Time Study; DIY Acid Dosing; DIY Cover Roller
18'x36' 20k plaster, MaxFlo SP2303VSP, Aqualogic PS8 SWCG, 420 sq-ft Cartridge, Solar, 6 jet spa, 1 HP jet pump, 400k BTU NG Heater
Would you mind explaining a bit how you came up with those numbers, more specifically the GPM for the current pump and the feet of head for both...
As far as I can tell, the sand filter has a max flow rate of 20 GPM, if it was currently at 52 GPM wouldn't that be kind of through the roof? And also can't 1.5" piping only safely handle around 47 GPM?
Thanks again for your help.
The filter has a recommended flow rate of 20 GPM. There is no true maximum but there can be a point where it damages the filter. However, sand filters are fairly robust and it is difficult to damage them but it does happen once in a while. Also, with pipe, there is no maximum either. There is only increasing head loss with flow rate. It doesn't really make it unsafe but it does make in inefficient. The limits that you read about are actually recommendations to minimize head loss and water hammer but there are no fundamental limits.
As for the methods that I use to determine head loss, it is a little complicated but it is a two step process. The filter pressure gives you the head loss from that point out of the returns:
Return dynamic head loss = 13 PSI * 2.31 + 9.5 = 39.53' of head
9.5' is the height of the filter gauge above the water level.
The suction side is a little more difficult because you don't have a suction measurement so for that, I calculate the equivalent plumbing curve based upon the description of the plumbing you gave me. I then use the pump's head curve to find the operating point.
I have a spreadsheet that does the calculations in my signature under "Energy Efficient Swimming Pools".
Last edited by mas985; 06-08-2013 at 11:40 AM.
Mark
Hydraulics 101; Pump Ed 101; Pump/Pool Spreadsheets; Pump Run Time Study; DIY Acid Dosing; DIY Cover Roller
18'x36' 20k plaster, MaxFlo SP2303VSP, Aqualogic PS8 SWCG, 420 sq-ft Cartridge, Solar, 6 jet spa, 1 HP jet pump, 400k BTU NG Heater
Great, thanks.
So in essence, installing the Hayward 3/4hp SuperPump shouldn't pose a risk of damaging the system because it will actually output less GPM than the current pump that's in there now?
Also, would you recommend putting in a ball valve between the pump output and filter to manually reduce (throttle) the flow to the desired level? Is this safe for the pump's longevity? Does it cause a reduction in electricity usage?
The new pump should should pose LESS of a risk but if your current pump did not damage the filter, then I doubt this one will.
As for a throttling valve, I don't think you need one. If the old pump did not do any damage in 30 years, what makes you think the new one will? However, restricting water flow will reduce energy use but not by much.
Mark
Hydraulics 101; Pump Ed 101; Pump/Pool Spreadsheets; Pump Run Time Study; DIY Acid Dosing; DIY Cover Roller
18'x36' 20k plaster, MaxFlo SP2303VSP, Aqualogic PS8 SWCG, 420 sq-ft Cartridge, Solar, 6 jet spa, 1 HP jet pump, 400k BTU NG Heater
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