Advice on a new pool in Plano, Tx

[cajunfla]

why not fiberglass?

[GTakacs]

I believe it is the Nature 2 Pro G however, I did some research on it and there is a Nature2 Pro G Plus system now - is that the one you are recommending or the Nature2 Pro G?

Nature 2 Pro G Plus is a Nature 2 + chlorine dispensing system in one. I would not recommend that one. If anything I'd recommend the DuoClear, which is a NAture 2 and a salt water chlorinator in one. Although I think I'd rather have a separate SWG from the Nature 2, like one that I can control remotely such as the Jandy AquaPure system.

Also, the warranty on the decking is for anything from cracks to chips. He said they are the only pool company that offers that kind of warranty.

I am very surprised at that. I just can't see how someone can warranty cracks in North TX. It is bound to happen.

And as for the guarantee of 35 "working days" (which I assume does not count Sat and Sun..)

Well that is 7 weeks, which is a lot more reasonable.

Am I being too gullible?

No, I don't think you're being too gullible. Just make sure you get those references an call them to see how their pool building experience was and how the warranty has been holding up.

[mkamp1515]

400 sqft. of decking is not very much. I am not sure how big your yard is, but get more decking than you think you need if you can. I have 1100 sqft of decking and wish I had more. My back yard is 1/2 acre though. Some stats from my pool and price since I put in mine 1 year ago for comparison.

1100 sqft washed aggregate decking
Free form pool, 3.5ft*5ft*4ft, 20,000 gallons (36 ft long, width varies 24 ft at widest, 16 ft narrowest, I think 100-110 perimeter)
coping is flagstone
20 ft long mossrock waterfall, highest is about 4 ft tall
matching mossrock planter on opposite side of pool
tanning ledge (4 inches deep)
Tahoe Blue Pebble Tec surface (gives a lagoon look)
Jandy LED color lights (2 of them)
2 hp pump for main circulation
1 hp pump for waterfall
Polars 280 cleaner with booster pump
Jandy Aqua Pure Salt System
Price was $31,000

I am sure there has been price increases over the last year. I would certainly entertain multiple companies and multiple pool plans. There is always somethink you wish you did differently.

Good Luck and have a great Memorial Day.

Mike

[Simmons99]

How long has the company been in business? A 15 year warranty doesn't mean anything if they have only been in business for 5 years. Also - I would be weary of gimicky sales promos - a good company shouldn't need those - they are able to get work becuase they have good QUALITY.

Also the Nature 2 system (from what I have read on this forum) basically adds copper to your pool - which can stain it in high doses and give blonde swimmers green hair. (IMHO - I wouldn't care about that)

How many of their customers have you talked to? Ask you sales person where they have done pools (not who) - and drive around to see their installation signs. Go knock on doors. Find out if they have had a alot of warranty call backs, etc.

BTW - $500 is NOTHING to a pool company that is making $10,000 on your pool - also they state that they have never had to pay it - the only time they would have to pay it is if you sued them (which would cost you more than $500 to do).

I don't mean to be a real downer, but you need to look at the facts. They can say what they want, but that doesn't mean that is what you get. Do a lot more homework before you make a decision.

[Simmons99]

Pool prices for comparison (Florida)

I got a 15X13 (3-6'deep) roman style pool
Hot tub with 3' splash over (all raised 6") with 250,000 BTU heater
Sunning ledge (about 7' X4')
Tiled steps & standard tiled water line
Brick pavers deck (27'X40') with an acrylic band around the pool. Raised deck 6" around the hot tub
Screened enclosure (27X40' with a covered roof 8' X40' and gutter system)
Saltwater Chlorine Generator
LED light in the pool w/ remote system
SAM light in the spa
Fountain in the spa (removable)
Exposed aggregate finish.
2hp Hayward C1750 Cartridge filter
Hayward Navigator with seperate vacuum line
one skimmer

Total $52,000

Just for comparision - quotes came in from $47,000-$67,000. The most expensive options were the screen enclosure ($13k) and the brick pavers ($7k)

[santorin]

How long has the company been in business? A 15 year warranty doesn't mean anything if they have only been in business for 5 years. Also - I would be weary of gimicky sales promos - a good company shouldn't need those - they are able to get work becuase they have good QUALITY.

Also the Nature 2 system (from what I have read on this forum) basically adds copper to your pool - which can stain it in high doses and give blonde swimmers green hair. (IMHO - I wouldn't care about that)

How many of their customers have you talked to? Ask you sales person where they have done pools (not who) - and drive around to see their installation signs. Go knock on doors. Find out if they have had a alot of warranty call backs, etc.

BTW - $500 is NOTHING to a pool company that is making $10,000 on your pool - also they state that they have never had to pay it - the only time they would have to pay it is if you sued them (which would cost you more than $500 to do).

I don't mean to be a real downer, but you need to look at the facts. They can say what they want, but that doesn't mean that is what you get. Do a lot more homework before you make a decision.

They've been in business for 60 years. I don't think they are going to go belly up any time soon. They also have a lifetime warranty on the pool itself. I just got an estimate from them tonight. We are going with them due to recommendations from friends and from their BBB scores or whatever you want to call them.

[South_Texas_Sun]

I understand Anthony Sylvan is one of the biggest pool builders but there seems to be a few complaints floating around. Try googling or try this:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeo...ony_pools.html

Another random thing to watch out for Sandie.........rock charges.

I don't know if you live in an area that has a lot of subterranean rock (and you may not either) All I know is you'd better read the fine print in any Texas contract you sign, because a lot of the PB's charge $60-100 per YARD of rock work to dig your hole. (Then trot out a Bobcat instead of a backhoe)

It's perfectly acceptable to demand a fixed fee for excavation, and I had our PB write it in LONGHAND before I'd sign....

There's an awful lot of ways to cut corners building a pool, and I've been on our crews like "white on rice" while they've been trudging though our project. It's really paid off though, and a lot of the info I've read here has saved us future problems. (i.e. keep reading

[CarlD]

Sylvan is national--it's up here in NJ too. That doesn't mean they are better, only that they probably have deep pockets.

I would absolutely NOT waste a nickel on Nature2. First, there's no proof it works, just lots of testimonials--and the company won't publish any research. Second, they add copper and silver to the water, not a good thing. Third, and most importantly, they won't save you any money. The cost of the replacement cartridges ($90 for the cheapest one) buys a LOT of chlorine. If you use $90 worth of bleach (what we recommend) in a season, that's a lot.

As for an in-line chlorinator--don't put too much stock in it. When your pool is new, the chlorinator will be a good thing, because the tablets keep a constant flow of chlorine, add stabilizer, which you will need, and are EXTREMELY acidic. This is good because a curing gunite pool is usually very alkaline. But once your pool is cured, and once your stabilizer (CYA) hits 50ppm, the chlorinator is useless because it CONTINUES to add stabilizer which is now a bad thing, and adds acid, which you shouldn't need. During the curing period, a $10 adjustable floater will do just as well as the chlorinator.

You would be FAR better off to save the cost of both the Nature2 and the chlorinator (or the combined contraption from Nature2) and get a nice Salt Water Generator (SWG) instead. They work, they keep on working over the years, and allow you to pay far less attention to your chlorine levels than us mugs who do it manually.

Finally, when they install your pool, and they fill it with water, they are likely to dump a WHOLE raft of garbage (ie chemicals) in your water all at once. DO NOT LET THEM DO THIS!!!! Either tell them "No Thanks!" (especially if they are charging you for them) or have them leave it with instructions for YOU to add it, then come to us with each item and we will advise you whether it's a "Yes", "No" or "Yes, with changes".

Meanwhile, order your test kit now, and keep it in a cool, dark, dry place until you are ready to use it. Order something like PoolDoc's kit on PoolSolutions.com, Taylor's 2006 kit, or Leslie's Chlorine FAS-DPD Service Test Kit. Or, at least, see if WalMart has the HTH 5-Way drop test kit (not the HTH 6-Way strips) and get that.

Learn to use it on your tap water (what you'll probably fill it with) and that gives you a great baseline.

If they fill it with trucked-in water, test the water before you add anything and get a baseline. Many municipalities have fairly high Total Alkalinity levels so that's why you don't want the builder dumping in a ton of "Alkalinity Raiser" (baking soda to you and me) before it's tested.

[GTakacs]

CarlD, you seem to be against the Nature2 pretty seriously. I am having one installed on my new pool, my co-worker has it on his one with a SWG and he swears by it. He keeps his FC at 0.5 all year long. What do you base your opposition other than hearsay? I am just curious. My pool builder is "throwing in" the Nature 2 so I'm getting it whether I like it or not, but from what my co-worker has told me, I'll like it. I'm also getting a Jandy Purelink PDA with SWG system installed (bought it myself, installing it myself, builder wanted too much $$$ for it).

[CarlD]

CarlD, you seem to be against the Nature2 pretty seriously. I am having one installed on my new pool, my co-worker has it on his one with a SWG and he swears by it. He keeps his FC at 0.5 all year long. What do you base your opposition other than hearsay? I am just curious. My pool builder is "throwing in" the Nature 2 so I'm getting it whether I like it or not, but from what my co-worker has told me, I'll like it. I'm also getting a Jandy Purelink PDA with SWG system installed (bought it myself, installing it myself, builder wanted too much $$$ for it).

I think I stated my reasons for thinking the N2 system is a waste of money pretty clearly in my last post but here we go again:

1) There is no hard evidence it works, and the company doesn't publish any, nor does it publish how the system works. I don't believe in magic. If there was scientific evidence to back up Nature2, they'd be quick to let you know. Also, notice that N2 only claims to be effective against algae, but chlorine protects us against all sorts of contaminants, most importantly fecal matter, especially human fecal matter, the most dangerous contaminant

2) Do the arithmetic...the annual cost of a Nature2 cartridge cannot be justified in the amount of chlorine it saves. You still must use chlorine, and if the N2 works and cuts your chlorine costs in half, it STILL costs you more to use it than it does not to.

For example: The cartridge costs about $90 and you have to replace it every year. Bleach (regular 5.25%) costs about $1.50--$90 buys you 60 gallons. For the Nature2 to BREAK EVEN you would have to be using 120 gallons of bleach a season. Now where I live (in the NE in NJ) then normal swimming season is 3 months--up to 4 months. 4 months is approximately 120 days. I would have to be using a gallon of bleach EVERY SINGLE DAY and cut that in half just to justify the cartridge annual cost. But, in fact, if I use a gallon every other day it's a lot--so that's only 60 gallons at $90-- at my rate of usage the N2 would add 50% to my chemical costs:

The N2 would cost me $90, plus I have to STILL buy half the chlorine I use--30 gallons, which costs $45. Now if I only use chlorine, my seasonal cost is $90. If I use the N2, my seasonal rises to $90(cart) + $45(bleach) for a total of $135! There's no savings at all--and, unless the builder tossed it in, I have to amortize the cost of the system as well.

3) There is solid evidence that running higher chlorine levels to maintain sanitation will not harm you or your children, so the hype about less chemical is BS. Stick to our B-B-B methods and you'll use far less chemicals, and you won't ever need exotic ones.

Since these chemical/mineral systems are all like this, the ONLY one I trust and would use is SWG--Salt Water Generation, which makes chlorine from salt--whose chemical formula is NaCl----Sodium Chloride.

I don't believe in magic. I don't believe in snake oil. I don't believe in testimonials.