PH Plus vs. Borax Price & Ingredients

[moblaine]

I was curious how to tell which is more cost effective. The ingredients on the 20 Mule Team Borax only 1 list thing so am I to presume there is no "filler"? A 4 lb. 12 oz. box cost $4.50. 12 lbs of PH Plus cost me about $20 at the pool store. Are they equivalent products, lb. for lb.?

[waterbear]

pH plus is sodium carbonate (sometimes called sodium hydrogen carbonate) . It is exactly the same thing as Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda (also called Soda Ash or Sal Soda) found in the laundry aisle of the grocery for a LOT LESS MONEY than the pH Plus (and probably sitting right next to the 20 Mule Team borax). It is not the same as baking soda (sodum bicarbonate) that your pool store sells as Total Alkalinity increaser for a lot more money that the grocery store does. Pound for pound it takes about twice as much borax as soda ash to raise the pH the same amount. HOWEVER SODA ASH WILL ALSO CAUSE A VERY FAST RISE IN TOTAL ALKALINITY WHICH IS OFTEN NOT DESIRABLE so borax is preferential since it has a minimal impact on TA.
It si really a comparison of apples and oranges since the two chemicals have very different effects on your pool's water balance.

[donfranko]

Ahh, been reading here a while and this is the 1st time I saw an explanation for Borax vs PH up - Borax does not increase ALK but you need more of it. I think I even asked the question once because the bleach calc says "soda ash, not Borax" to raise PH.
So Soda Ash or PH up is OK if you can allow for PH increase and Borax to raise PH if you don;t want an additional increase in ALK.

[waterbear]

Im most cases soda ash (pH up) will cause the ALK to go too high so unless the pH is VERY LOW and the TA is non existent I would go with borax.

[Watermom]

So Soda Ash or PH up is OK if you can allow for PH increase and Borax to raise PH if you don;t want an additional increase in ALK.

I think maybe you meant if you can allow for alk increase rather than pH increase?

[moblaine]

Waterbear, great explanation, thanks. I used lots of Borax last week and my PH is up so I was happy with my first time use. I wonder if you can tell me where to get the product to lower Alkalinity?

[Watermom]

The procedure for lowering alk is described here: Lowering Alkalinity Step-by-Step


Also, please read the link in my signature below about using muriatic acid safely.

How high is your alk, by the way?

[donfranko]

yes, that is what I meant