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    Default Re: Need 2nd Opinion on % vs Volume vs $ calculation/assumptuion



    Here's a big azz wrench to throw in the works...

    I just ran a 'Carl' on the jug of Walmart 4%.

    1ml of Walmart 4% in my little 10liter 'pool' tests as 12.6ppmFC
    (baseline tap water was 1.2ppmFC and sample read as 14ppmFC)

    I'm fairly certain I didn't mess up. I will dump my 'pool' back into the 1liter measuring cup I used to fill it...in case I mis-counted. (even then...such a massive difference for +/- 1liter error?!?!?). I am 100% certain on the 1ml bleach sample. I ovefilled the syringe, bled the air, pushed out to exactly the 1ml line. I rinsed the syringe outside, then dumped it & flushed it. I stirred well, waited 10mins, re-stirred and multiple-flushed then pulled a 10ml sample.

    If this method kinda points to %conc, then Walmart's supplier is pulling a fast one...to the consumer's benefit...which is w-a-y too suspicious. But...maybe it costs that particular supplier too much to dilute it down to 4%. -or- the supplier-du-jour only has 12% in their tanks...but, sometimes the other suppliers only have 4%...so Walmart has to mark for the least %conc. No doubt they have multiple sources for their store brand stuff. But I'd have to random sample all over the place to try and nail it down...forget it.

    Anybody have anything to add?

    UPDATE:
    I just emptied 11 liters from the bucket. <sigh> That throws the math off...but that means the '%conc' must be even higher than 12%-ish. I just expanded the whole: 1ml in 11liters = 12.6ppm...up to my pool volume 20062liters for 1ppm change. I'm going to chuck 145ml of this stuff in and see what happens. My pool is 4ppm now. If it goes up to 5ppm, I guess it must be way more than 4%. True...I am only +/-0.5ppm resolution...but a little trinkle of 4% can't be worth much...the odds are it won't push me above 4ppm. We'll see....
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    Default Re: Need 2nd Opinion on % vs Volume vs $ calculation/assumptuion

    <sigh> a second update...
    I wanted to work the angle on giroup01's suggestion of using CalHypo...
    I have been searching around for info on whether CalHypo will increase my Calcium levels (which it will...so forget it)...and becuase I used "calcium hypochloride" in the search string...I ended up bouncing across a couple more "cost vs chlorine types" threads...and one driven by ChemGeek even. I'm sorry I missed them when I started this thread.
    I don't want to flog a dead horse, and although I just skimmed the other posts (will get back to them...too late tonight) I suspect they are well and good for the cost vs chlorine I was trying to originally figure out.

    Also...(not having read/searched other posts fully)...I also suspect Carl's post about determining PPM of the 'stuff' you have is the better place to continue the 'discussion' of the methodology and interpreting the results.

    I don't know what other meat is left in this thread, after considering those other ones...I'm too tired now to suss it out.

    Mod: if you feel this thread is now pointless and/or should be pmoved/closed/deleted...I trust your judgement. It's always best (and very hard) to keep like info (and usefull info) together...
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    All 2" plumbing (except 3" suction line, modified skimmer) - Two 1.5" returns at 180degrees apart (skimmer return piped down to floor)

    "15' round 5.1K gal AG pool; ~10% liquid Chlorine; Sta-Rite Mod3 60sqft DE Filter DE filter; Sta-Rite 2"" Dyna-Wave Pump pump; 11hrs; Taylor K-2006
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    Default Re: Need 2nd Opinion on % vs Volume vs $ calculation/assumptuion

    Quote Originally Posted by Sponge1971 View Post
    <sigh> a second update...
    I wanted to work the angle on giroup01's suggestion of using CalHypo...
    I have been searching around for info on whether CalHypo will increase my Calcium levels (which it will...so forget it)
    Keep in mind that the pool will be opened about 4 months a year, and come October you'll drain it 2/3, whatever's left will be diluted by rain and melted snow, then you'll top it off in April with tap water.

    So the increase in CH, whatever it is, is irrelevant.
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    Default Re: Need 2nd Opinion on % vs Volume vs $ calculation/assumptuion

    Well, not quite...

    I have a DE filter so I don't dump & fill on a regular basis. Rainwater duming is all I'll be doing.

    I plan to close my pool way late and open it way early. This is my first run but I'm thinking April to November...we'll see how reality goes...

    I also only plan to drain below my returns, leaving them open to allow overflow to drain out the pool. Opening 'refill' will only be about 6 inches.

    I have no idea on the 'rate of rise' my calcium would have, if I used CalHypo...but there won't be the dilution you're suggesting.
    5300 Gallon (15' x 52" composite & aluminum - AG)
    (Not Salt Water - Liquid Chlorine - Trying BBB...)
    Sta-Rite Mod3 60sqft DE Filter (with 8lbs charge) - Sta-Rite 2" Dyna-Wave Pump (<<< L-O-V-E )
    All 2" plumbing (except 3" suction line, modified skimmer) - Two 1.5" returns at 180degrees apart (skimmer return piped down to floor)

    "15' round 5.1K gal AG pool; ~10% liquid Chlorine; Sta-Rite Mod3 60sqft DE Filter DE filter; Sta-Rite 2"" Dyna-Wave Pump pump; 11hrs; Taylor K-2006
    'drops' FAS-DPD Chlorine, ; utility water; summer: ; winter: ; iPhone; PF:24"

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