Bleach not staying in pool?

[waterbear]

Check out this page on Poolsolutions. Ben talks about how 'chlorine enhancers and boosters' contain either ammonia or bromine and will cause a HUGE chlorine demand after you use them. Yellow Out is one of the products he mentions.
http://www.poolsolutions.com/tips/tip44.html

He also says on the page to send him a message if you have used one and your Cl has gone AWOL!

[duraleigh]

Evan,

That is an excellent post. You do great research and that's a potential solution that not many would've recognized.

Okay, I'm done being Mr. Nice....back to my cynical self!!

H20man, my bet is Waterbear has posted your answer.....I would still test for CC's but keep adding Cl in there and see if it doesn't stabilize soon.

[h20man]

thanks 4 the help!

I suspected the Yellow Out was the culprit, but I figured after 3 weeks it had run it's course & be back to normal.....

also , can u have algae hanging on even though pool is clear?

I hate to leave the pool cover open because I lose degrees! but don't wanna fry it too!

thanks again

[ivyleager]

also , can u have algae hanging on even though pool is clear?

thanks again

YES. My first ever algae problem was a build up of slime on the liner in my pool. Water was clean & clear, but bottom was slick.

CaryB

[waterbear]

GASP! I think I am going to faint! I got a compliment from Dave!
(just kidding, I thank you for the compliment! I HAVE studied the Poolsolutions sight to try and learn everything I can on there and just reread it again about a week ago so it was fresh in my mind )

Seriously h20man, If the product was ammonia based it will create a HUGE chlorine demand and if it is bromine based then you might have a bromine pool for a while. If it is bromine then check out this page on Poolsolutions
http://www.poolsolutions.com/tips/tip10.html

I tried to find a MSDS for Yellow Out but they don't have one on the website. Are the ingredients listed on the package? That would be helpful.

[waste]

Just 'from the hip', I'm thinking the 'yellow out' had bromine as it's key ingredient. (I'll try to remember to check the store room at work tomorow) If that is the case, then the low reading is caused by your checking a bromine pool for chlorine - see Evan's link to Ben's take on "once a bromine..." topic.

[KurtV]

Re-reading Ben's article that Evan linked to makes me doubt that the single dose of Yellow Out is the culprit, especially if bromine is the primary ingredient. Ben refers to "repeated or excessive doses" which a single, normal dose of yellow out wouldn't seem to be. Also, when testing with DPD, doesn't bromine show up just as chlorine would? In other words, wouldn't every ppm of bromide ion that was converted by the chlorine into free bromide, thus "consuming" the free chlorine, show up on on a DPD test just like free chlorine?


Just a thought.

[waterbear]

Not really because the bromine reading is 2.something of the chlorine reading (I think it's 2.25 but don't hold me to that!) so if he was showing 1 to 2 ppm chlorine in the pool and was actually testing bromine it would have been over 2ppm to over 4 ppm bromine level.

[h20man]

so my question is , is my current low test result for CL level accurate or is it false possibly due to the Yellow out...in other words is the Yellow Out consuming the bleach I add , or is there really alot of hidden CL in my pool when I read 1-2PPM? thanks 4 the help guys & if I remember correctly Bromine is the main ingriedient , I put in the proper amount for 20k gallons > 2 bags

also, is it necessary to clean out the Bromine pool w/ bleach , or does it just return to normal soon?
thanks

[KurtV]

Not really because the bromine reading is 2.something of the chlorine reading (I think it's 2.25 but don't hold me to that!) so if he was showing 1 to 2 ppm chlorine in the pool and was actually testing bromine it would have been over 2ppm to over 4 ppm bromine level.

Evan, So it's probably not bromine, right? It would be showing up on the tests at a much higher level if it was there, wouldn't it? (Excuse my ignorance if I'm misreading your post.)

If it was ammonia based, wouldn't it already have been consumed by the relatively high doses of chlorine he's been using?

You may, of course, yet be right (as you usually are), but I'm guessing Dave was on to something with his lurking organic theory.

Waterman, I don't think anyone is saying that the Yellow Out, whether bromine or ammonia based, is falsely supressing your chlorine test readings. Rather something is consuming your chlorine.

Read the 2nd of Ben's articles that Evan linked to; it should answer your question on getting the bromine out.

As to what you should do, absent some other revalation, I think going back to the basics of keeping your chlorine at shock levels, until it holds over night, is your best bet. According to Ben's Best Guess chart, for a CYA level of 60-70, that would be 20 ppm (http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthread.php?t=365)

Best of luck.