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  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    San Diego, CA
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    Default I built mine in southern cal.

    I just finished being the GC for my 18X32 freeform IG pool with raised 8 foot spa. I also built a rock waterfall with slide. The total cost was around $30K. I started with a set of plans from an online company in Florida, but they did not meet building codes here in Cal. and had to pay a local person to revise them. I originally called all the local pool subs that I could think of or find in the phone book to get as many bids as possible. As I talked with each sub, I asked for other names, which they freely gave out. As I narrowed down who I wanted to do the work, I always asked the subs if they were willing to work with a homeowner and some said yes and other said no. I went with the ones that said yes, and I was glad I did.

    I spent a lot of time talking over each part of the pool or spa with the sub so I knew exactly what I was getting --- didn't want any surprises. I must have spend 3 months (part time) studying, talking and reading about plumbing before I decided which sub would do that part. I'm extra glad there, because it's really the heart of the pool and spa. I tried to get everything done as cheaply as possible, and since I consider myself fairly handy with tools and such, I took on some tasks myself. I build the artifical rock waterfall and slide, installed coping, installed tile and did all the electrical. If I was to build another pool I probably would not do that much again ---- it was a lot of work, especially the rock waterfall.

    Whenever I felt I was over my head and did not understand something completely, like how to set tile, I would stop and go back into research mode until I felt confident again. Whenever I could I attended a class to learn how the professionals did it. That's how I learned to build the waterfall and slide. I found a company that manufacturers artificial rock and asked them if they were willing to work with a homeowner, which they were and they offer to let me attend one of their professional classes, and even applied the cost of the class to my first order. In addition to learning to build the waterfall, I made some great contacts and was able to get information when it was critical. My wife and I really got into the building of the waterfall. We figured out a system of texturing and coloring concrete that looked pretty good and for many months we spend every Saturday putting the final coat on. At one point, we had a sub doing some decking work near the pool and they stopped what they were doing to watch me and my wife texture and color artifical rock ---- they had never see a homeowner tackle that job, let alone a husband and wife team. It was exciting to think we had learned enough to do it ourselves.

    The entire project took about two years and the pool has been in operation for about three months now. I'm still learning the details of pool chemistry and working out some of the startup hassles, such as how to get plaster debris out the pipes, or how long to run the filter pump.

    Would I do it again? The answer is a clear and loud YES, but not right away. I'm still waiting for some of the brusies on my arms and legs to heal.

    Wil

  2. #2
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    Nov 2004
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ.
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    Default I saved about $15-20K

    Owner/builder here in Phoenix. 120 perimeter, freeform rock pool with 18" raised attached spa with natural rock spillway/waterfall. Pebble interior. Aqualogic control system with SWG. Control panel in kitchen and wireless control at the spa. Also used howibuiltmypool.com. Awesome site! I don't think I could have done it with out Ben's info. I met with three larger pool builders in the area and got quotes and design ideas. Then I designed my own plan and excavation started on 10/15. Completed and filled on 1/20. Can't wait until it gets a little warmer here.

    Would I do it again? Definately....but going to enjoy this one for a few years (-:

  3. #3
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    Dec 1969
    Location
    Crowley, Louisiana
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    Default Owner Builder in Louisiana

    We are about to go the owner/builder route here in Louisiana. . .
    I'm only just getting started, but i'm going to document the process along the way. I hope to share our experiences with the board.

    Wish me luck.
    Lyn

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
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    South Florida
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    Hi There,

    Rob, there are several reasons why the estimates on your pool were $ 10,000 apart. Every pool company is making an estimate based on their drawing or sketch of a pool. While you thinks the bid is on an identical pool there are variables. There is also the quality of the job. While some companies will make the pool with a min. requirement to meet the code, others will exceed it. Some may give you only 2 inlets others will include as many as it takes for proper circulation. Some will include a separate cleaning line, while others will not. Same with the equipment they use. Better pump, filter and valves. And so on....

    I'm in Florida and I sell pool plans world wide. We have done over 4,000 plans and many of them in California. Our plans do meat California requirements and are sealed by a California engineer.

    Most of our business is from homeowner-builders. The feed back we get is that the savings are around 40 to 50%.
    And while it's not for everyone to GC their own pool it really is not that complicated. The subs you use are the same as the pool company does. You need to know the order in which to schedule the subs. You need to know when to call for inspection and your building department will tell you that. Also, this forum is a great source for information.

    And Lyn.... How nice it is to run into you here!!!!

    Zina
    www.PoolDesign.net

  5. #5
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    Dec 1969
    Location
    Roseville, California USA.
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    64
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    I was going to build my own but decided against it. It would be my first time ever building a pool and I was busy enough at my real job to have a second one of overseeing the building of a pool.

    I chose instead a coordinator. His job was to design, plan and organize the subs. He knew the order of how to build pools and he knew the subs, he was in business for 20 years. I was skeptical at first, but the more I checked his references the better he looked. He was also less expensive than the official pool companies.

    I figured it would take me longer to finish, possibly all summer of learning the steps and that particuler step (excavation, steel, plumbing, etc.) at least enough to understand what to expect and when they were done. Ulitmately when to pay them for their work.

    The horror stories I heard about pool companies made me wary of them too. Length of the build time (some were 6 months to years) and sub par work scared me to death. Mine took 5 weeks (dig day to water day).

    I usually paid the subs when he said, I trusted him to tell me when they were done. (Except for the guniters - see next paragraph). I paid him in phases, something like $2K for a design and then $1K at agreed upon completion phases (excavation, gunite, plaster, etc). I figured that if for some reason the relationship soured I wouldn't have lost that much money and could either find someone else or attempt to finish it myself. I also made him pick a completion date and let him choose the penalty for not meeting that date. BTW he chose to pay me $500 penalty a week for every week past the completion date. He met his completion date so no problem.

    Above all, DO NOT PAY THE SUBS UNTIL YOUR SURE THAT SUB HAS COMPLETED HIS JOB SATISFACTORILY, once they get the money you are instantly low/no priority. Example: The guniters left about a 1K to 1.5K lbs. of excess gunite on the backside of the wall the runs the length of my pool. I paid them and gave them a bonus, as they were there until 11pm working on my job. Little did I know the surprise they left me later. I complained but ended up breaking it up and dumping it myself, just to be done with it.

    Another thing I learned was most subs allow you to pay several days after they complete the job, so no worries of waiting until closer to that date to pay them, gives time to review the quality of their work.

    Overall I think I got a good deal, he was flexible, attentive (he was there everyday something important happened) and true to his contracted word.

    I also supplied an ice chest full of cold sodas and water for the workers, I don't know if it made them work faster/better but I know it didn't hurt.

  6. #6
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    South Florida
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    Default Sorry...typo

    Our plans do meet California..... (not meat)
    Zina
    Pool-Design . net

  7. #7
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    Dec 2005
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    Rancho Murieta, CA, USA.
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    Default Re: Build your own Gunite Pool

    I am about to start GC our own IG pool. I am counting on a 30% savings or so. About 10% of which I am dumping back into the pool on things I would not have done with a pool builder. I am currently designing the pool myself. I am using Visio. I will post how things go.



    It's not done but getting closer.
    Last edited by mmcguire; 04-26-2006 at 02:41 AM.

  8. #8
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    South Florida
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    Default Re: Build your own Gunite Pool

    mmcguire,

    FYI To get a permit in your Rancho Murieta you will need a site plan (3 copies I think) that shows all property lines and two sets of structural plans wet stamped by an engineer. Your drawing looks great!!! Want a job??
    Last edited by PoolDesignnet; 04-28-2006 at 01:07 AM.
    Zina
    Pool-Design . net

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