Green pool now blue after shock, what now?

[kluczenk]

Many thanks. I'll go get some store-bought bleach to keep the chlorine level high and throw in a little POPP for good measure! On a related note I've purchased the Taylor self-test kit. I'm hoping with a little TLC from Poolforum I won't feel like moving out of this house because of my costly pool. I'll keep you posted on progress.

[aylad]

Buying your own test kit will make taking control of your pool SO much easier!!!

Let us know how it's going....

Janet

[kluczenk]

Test kit came and I did my first set of tests! Unfortunately the pool is getting green/cloudy again. I don't want to add any more shock and increase the stabilizer any further but have no idea how much bleach to be adding. I posted in the water treatment/balancing section of the site with the following data:

FC=0
pH=7.6
TA=200
CH=325
CYA=70
Water Balance=.575

I've added a bit of bleach since last week but clearly not enough. How much do I need to be adding to my 33,000 gallon pool to keep it high enough for the stabilizer? You can reply here or my post in the other section.

[kluczenk]

Sorry for the double post, here are the stats from the original message:

Hi all, I've posted previously in the algae section and received great responses. I was able to clear my murky pool but in waiting for my Taylor test kit to arrive it has started to go green on me again. Please take a look at these results and let me know how to proceed:

FC=0
pH=7.6
TA=200
CH=325
CYA=70
Water balance=.575 (using the included wheel)

I have a 33,000 gallon chlorinated plaster pool and due to high levels of stabilizer have been told that I should just use regular bleach to chlorinate the pool or be forced to empty and refill to reduce stabilizers (which won't happen this summer). How much bleach do I need to add to the pool to get my chlorine to a high level and kill off the algea. I don't know whether to go out and buy 3 or 4 bottles of bleach or 20 or 30. I'll obviously continue to run the pumps and will scrub and vacuum the pool as well. Please help to clean the pool back up.

[aylad]

If you'll look at the best guess chart in one of my above posts, it tells you that to shock a pool with a stabilizer (CYA) of 75, you need to raise your chlorine up to 20 ppm and keep it there by testing and adding more 2-3 times daily until the water clears up again. To get to 20 ppm, it will take 11 gallons of 6% bleach. After that, when you're re-testing to add more, each 1/2 gallon of bleach will raise your chlorine by 1 ppm, so you can use that as a guide to figure out how much more to put in each time. Keep the filter running, brush the pool daily. Keep it at 20 ppm until the water clears, you have no combined chlorine, and you're not losing any chlorine when testing at night after the sun is off the pool and again in the morning before the sun is on the pool. After that, then you can let it drift back down, just like you did before. However, this time, DO NOT LET THE CHLORINE DRIFT BACK DOWN BELOW 5 PPM. Because your stabilizer is so high, you must keep it higher than 5 ppm to keep from having to repeat this cycle over and over again. This means that you must test the water daily, and add chlorine (bleach) as needed (probably daily, or at least every other day) to maintain your chlorine levels and not let them go to zero again. This is an ongoing process, not a one-time cure.

You want to enjoy your pool, not just spend the summer treating it!

Janet

[kluczenk]

Thanks again Janet. I assume you're using acquired knowledge or something like poolcalculator dot-com to come up with the amounts. I just found that a short bit ago and got back from Costco with a whole mess of bleach that I'll add this evening. I'm looking forward to next year and not messing up my CYA so I don't have to maintain such a high chlorine level to keep the algae at bay! Till then it looks like I'll buy stock in the bleach companies and keep adding...

[aylad]

I'm using Bleachcalc--one of the original chem calculators that was developed by MW Smith several years ago.

I think you'll find that even with the high CYA levels, if you don't let the chlorine drop down so low, then it really won't take any more bleach to maintain the higher levels than it would in a low CYA pool, because although you have to reach a higher level, you're also starting at a higher level. It doesn't take any more bleach to go from 0 Cl to 10 than it does to go from 10 Cl to 20. The problem you're seeing is that if you let it go all the way down to 0, then it take a BUNCH of cl to go from 0 to 20!!

I intentionally run my pool at a CYA of 80-90 for that same reason, because I live in a very hot, humid climate, and my pool is in full sun from sunup to sundown. I actually use the same (or maybe even a little less) amount of bleach as those with lower CYA pools, but only have to add it every 2 or 3 days because the stabilizer protects it so well from the sun. But it only works because I keep it consistently above the minimum laid out in the Best Guess Table. It also works for me because my pool stays open and chlorinated year round, so I don't have to deal with the CYA breakdown problem.

There is something else you need to be thinking about, as we get closer to the end of the season, which is the other consequence of too much CYA in the pool......depending on how you treat the water through the winter will have an effect, but basically that CYA will do one of the following:
1)Remain present in the water and you can resume the high Cl routine next year
2) Lower gradually over the winter IF you're not using trichlor and IF you keep it chlorinated enough to keep algae out and IF you either purposely drain some or do many backwashes or
3)If allowed to go green, the algae and accompanying bacteria may break the CYA down so that you actually start the year with a CYA of 0, but one of the byproducts of that breakdown is ammonia, which creates a HUGE chlorine demand upon startup of the pool that takes the same amount or even more of bleach to overcome.

So--it's not magically going to go away, you're still going to have to make a decision about either a partial drain or taking your chances with it breaking down over the winter. Personally, I would take the opportunity with every backwash to dump as much extra water as you can each time--believe it or not, it will slowly start to come down.

Janet