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    Default I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    Hubby bought kiddo a 15'x48" Intex vinyl pool (4400 gallons) and set it up Sunday. The pump is a 1,000 gph filter pump.

    We've added no chemicals yet. The filter/pump is running.

    The test kit I have is Aqua Chem 6 way Test Strips. I know it's not the best, but that was all they had in my rural area.

    Tonight I took a test and the results were:

    Hardness 100 ppm
    Total Chlorine 0
    Free Chlorine (Bromine) 0
    Ph 7.2
    Alkalinity 120-180 ppm ? somewhere in between
    Stabalizer 50 ppm

    What I have on hand for chemicals is:
    1) hth Super Shock & Swim #3
    1) hth dual action 3" chlorinating tablet

    Brand new box of 20 Mule Team Borax
    1 gallon of 6% Walmart generic bleach
    12lb bag of Arm & Hammer Baking Soda
    1 gallon of Klean Strip Safer Muriatic Acid (I can't imagine putting this in a pool!???)

    From what I've read and understand (after finally getting registered and paying to post) is that my Ph is a little low and I need chlorine.

    I just want to add things in the proper amount and order so hopefully we won't have problems.

    Also, when you add these things, how long do you have to wait until it's ok to swim? I have a 12 year old and I will need to know.

    Thanks in advance for all your help and expertise!

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    Default Re: I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    Hi and welcome! For a first-timer you've done GREAT and avoided MOST of the pit-falls, and not caused ANY damage with the few you've hit. With help, you'll stay right on track

    1) I'd start by adding 1/2 of that gallon of bleach immediately...right now. It should raise your FC to about 7ppm, which is OK for now--more below on CYA.

    2) Then take a water sample to a pool store and see if their numbers are similar to yours.

    3) THROW or give those "double-acting" tablets AWAY! NEVER use them! They contain copper as the "extra ingredient" and copper will give you nothing but trouble. They are GARBAGE and, IMHO, I think HTH is highly irresponsible in marketing them.

    4) Is the "Super Shock" Cal-Hypo or Di-Chlor? If it's Cal-Hypo you might be able to use it--but only if your Calcium Hardness level is low (You didn't report that #--for vinyl we don't care about CH, unless it's high).

    But if it's Di-Chlor, you cannot use it now--save it for when your CYA is low and your pH is elevated.

    Meanwhile, plan on using Bleach or Liquid Chlorine. 1 gallon of 6% bleach adds EXACTLY 6ppm of FC to 10,000 gallons of water. Since you have 4,400, just under half that, 1/2 gallon of bleach should do the same--maybe a tad more. If you use 5.25% bleach, it adds 5.25ppm per 10,000 gallons, etc.

    5) If the CYA number is correct then you will need to keep your daily FC between 3 and 6 and shock it to 15 whenever there's a hint of a problem--the level of "7" I suggested above is fine for now--as long as the water is still clear.

    6) If the CYA is lower, you are still fine at that level.

    7) If you see any signs of algae--bits of green on the bottom or greenish water, immediately add bleach to get FC to 10 to 12 ppm if your CYA is actually below 30, and raise FC to 15 if CYA is between 30 and 50.

    8) The pool store WILL try to sell your calcium to raise your calcium level. Resist. Calcium is useless in vinyl pools but they push it anyway. They may also push phosphate removers and use scare tactics to get you to buy them. Resist. Phosphate levels are, in most pools, highly irrelevant. "Oh, your phosphate level is 500ppb! you need remover!" Nope. You can have SIX TIMES that level without a problem.

    9) You CAN buy only one algaecide: PolyQuat 60%. It will say as it's ONLY active ingredient "Poly....<something long and unpronounceable>.... 60%" That's that stuff. Anything else? NEVER buy it! It doesn't matter what the PolyQuat 60% is called. Sometimes it's "Black Algaecide", sometimes "Mustard Algae Treatment", whatever. As long as it's only ingredient is Poly .... 60% that's the stuff--it's usually a lot more expensive--about $20/bottle, but you only use about 1/2 to one ounce at a time, and only as a preventative.

    10) Order a proper test kit on-Line from Taylor Technologies, Amatoind dot com, or Leslies on-line. From the first two get the Taylor K-2006 or K-2006C kit. From Leslies get the FAS-DPD Chlorine Service Pack Test Kit--it's their version of the K-2006. Do not get the K-2005 or a "DPD" test kit--it must have the FAS-DPD test. Expect it to cost between $50 and $70 and it's worth its weight in gold or platinum! Then you'll always be able to get better test numbers than the pool store.

    Have fun with the Intex! I had a 15' for 3 years and we enjoyed it very much. I learned enough about pool care to feel confident to go to the 40'x16' I have now. I even got my first FAS-DPD kit while I had the Intex...still have it somewhere!

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    Default Re: I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    Carl Thank you for your reply. Last night I kept reading and with your advice to someone else earlier I went out at midnight and dumped 1/2 gallon of bleach in. The pump has been running all night.

    I just retested and these are the results:

    Total Hardness is up from 100 to almost 250
    Total Chlorine is up from 0 to 1
    Free Chlorine is up from 0 to almost 3
    Ph is up from 7.2 to 7.8-8.4
    Total Alkalinity still at 120
    Stabilizer is up from 50 to not quite 100

    Why would the Ph and stabilizer have changed? Is it because I added the bleach?
    Or is it because I'm viewing the strip in totally different light this am? With us living in a rural area, I figured the water was very hard.

    Our water is still crystal clear with no signs of problems. Should I add another 1/2 gallon of bleach?

    Being rural, I will have to check in to finding a pool store to test water and a different test kit.

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    Default Re: I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    OK. Do you have an OTO test kit that tests just chlorine and pH? If not, get one. They are cheap--$5-$10, or if there's a Walmart, get the HTH 5-way drop test kit--for $12 to $15 it's a bargain!

    Your change is too drastic--that's why we don't recommend strips--it's too easy to make BIG mistakes with them.

    Until then I'm not convinced everything changed so much. The ONLY thing you can safely do is add more bleach. But bleach won't change your pH, your CYA, or your CH levels. (actually it CAN change pH but you aren't anywhere close to where that can happen, so don't worry about it).
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    Default Re: I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    Carl's given you excellent advice, as usual--I just wanted to reiterate that having your own drop-based kit is a necessity--even if it's the 6-way from WalMart. You've now seen first hand why we don't like strips.

    Welcome to the forum!!

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    Default Re: I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    Unless I missed something, I don't understand how you can have a cya (stablizer) reading at all. You said in the first post that you hadn't added any chemicals yet you report a cya reading of 50. That isn't possible. CYA is something that has to be added either directly or through a stabilized form of chlorine such as trichlor pucks or dichlor powder. It is not in your water supply.

    Also, another option for buying the Taylor K-2006 we recommend is to order it from Amazon. com through this link so that PF gets a donation in the process. More info in the following thread:

    http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthread.php?t=10006

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    Default Re: I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    Thanks for such a quick reply Carl. Just as I suspected. I found a store that does water testing on the way to hubby's work. He will be getting the results in a bit. I forewarned him they were going to try to sell him unneeded products. lol He's tough, so I have confidence in him not to buy their "stuff". lol

    I'll post results when I get them, and try to find me a better testing kit.

    Your help is sooo appreciated!

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    Default Re: I know NOTHING! Where do I start?

    Watermom: As far as the stabilizer readings-There was no chemicals in the pool when I took the first strip test. There was no mistaking that reading. The strip was a burnt orange.

    After adding 1/2 gallon of bleach last night at midnight, then retested at 7am today, that burnt orange color turned to a very deep orange.

    I thought I read last night on here that there shouldnt be a reading for stabilizer when just filling a pool and no chemicals had been added, but couldnt find the post again.

    We'll see what the pool store readings are and I'll get me a different kit.... unless there is something in our rural water?????? eeeek! lol

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    So...if your REAL pH is fairly high, and the powdered stuff is Di-Chlor, we may have you add that. If it's Cal-Hypo, then no (until we get a CH value we can rely on).

    For now stick with bleach.
    Carl

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