Shoppers Food Warehouse in Washington DC is selling now the HomeBest brand of regular bleach but does list the chlorine concentration. Is there a way to test it using Ben's kit?
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Shoppers Food Warehouse in Washington DC is selling now the HomeBest brand of regular bleach but does list the chlorine concentration. Is there a way to test it using Ben's kit?
Not very accurately.
It's almost certainly 5.25% or 6% and it won't make much difference either way. Add a gallon (or three quarts, whatever size it comes in) and then test the effect on your water an hour or so later. That's really the bottom line.
There's usually a 1-800 number on the bottle, you could call them and ask what the percentage is (or at least what it's supposed to be!)Quote:
Originally Posted by crsuarez
Janet
Yes, you CAN test it. Somewhere around here is the work I did last summer on this.
If you add (as I remember) 1.8ml of bleach to a 5 gallon bucket of NON-pool water, you can test the concentration.
The idea is that if one gallon of 6% bleach adds 6ppm of FC to 10,000 gallons, then 1.8ml (?) adds the same concentration to 5 gallons.
If you simply do the division and conversion it works.
And if you do it ALL in metric, then 1ml of bleach added to 10 liters of water should give you the same 1 : 10,000 concentration.
Then you measure the bucket the same as the pool and the result is the concentration in the bleach bottle.
The PS-232 had something that measured the 1.8ml...again as I remember before senility sets in.....:p
I've seen some 3% off-brands around, and I think I recall seeing even less - like 2.something% in Kroger.Quote:
It's almost certainly 5.25% or 6%
If they won't even print the concentration, I'd be real leery of it.
Your right, ohm; I'd forgotten about that 3% stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohm_Boy
Regardless, my main point remains: You have to see what the the stuff does in your pool anyway. Depending on how long the bleach has been sitting on the shelf at the store or in your laundry room it will almost always contain more or less active ingredient than is on the label; sometimes significantly more or less.
After a while you get an idea which stores move the stuff fast enough to always have "fresh" bleach available and which brands (or off-brands) give you what the label says it will. That will give you a good idea what a given bottle of bleach will do to your chlorine level but it will always be a bit of a crapshoot. Fortunately, even the limited accuracy/predictability we have is almost always good enough. For e.g., it doesn't really matter whether you have 3.2 ppm or 4.5 ppm so long as you keep it between the 3 and 5 (or whatever the best guess chart calls for in your case). If you dump in a bottle and only get half the chlorine you thought you would, dump in another bottle. No big deal. That's one of the reasons we test often.
We sometimes forget that the whole point of using Ben's Grocery Store Chemicals pool care method is to keep a clean, safe pool at a reasonable cost and with minimal hassle. Trying to test the chlorine strength of a bottle of bleach is distinctly not in the minimal hassle category to me (though it's an interesting academic exercise in and of itself).
thanks for all your answers...
Kroger carries a 2.75% bleach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohm_Boy
ok, CarlD's directions worked...i used 1.8ML of the HomeBest bleach in between 10 and 17 litters (I just poured water into a 17 litter bucket without filling it) of non-pool water and I got a reading of 9ppm. Without being accurate I would think that the strength of the bleach is 5.25 or above and not 3%, correct?
Probably. If you used city water to dilute the sample, it probably had something less than 4 or so ppm free chlorine (I think 4.5 is the recommended max). My tapwater is usually about 2 ppm FC and 1 CC (chloramines are actually used for sanitation of drinking water).Quote:
Originally Posted by crsuarez
I test every batch of bleach I buy ---- Using 1000 ml (1 Liter) of UNCHLORINATED water (from a well or distilled), place .1 ml of the sample from your bleach bottle -- mix and test.
As for the dilution method for testing bleach I use a 1000 ml volumetric flask and a medical syringe used to perform the standard tuberculin “Tine” test. The syringe has a total capacity of 1 ml but is graduated in .01ml graduation intervals with major graduations at .1ml. The dilution method is accurate within .1 ml @20 deg C.
Testing is done using the FAS-DPD method, using a 25ml sample size, again yielding accuracy within .2 ppm in a 10000 to 1 dilution.
I have found the results to be repeatable with a 95% confidence level (in scientific terms [95 out of 100 tests]).
The results of the test is equal to the percentage of bleach.
Now there's a sticky.
Thanks, very useful!
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Originally Posted by hamop78
Hey, anybody can do it with THOSE tools! :mad:
(just kidding!:D )
The reason I used the 1.8ml and 5 gallon bucket is that Ben's PS-232 kit has a measure that really close to what you need--and EVERYONE can get a 5 gallon bucket.
Another idea: Lots of infants' medicines have eyedroppers marked off in ML, some with exactly 1.0 ML. Take one from a used-up or expired bottle, and mix it with 10 liters of water. (wash it first! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )
10 liters???? What's that???? Why, that's five 2-liter soda bottles! --in that good old reliable 5 gallon bucket. You probably have at least one 2-liter bottle in your recycling right now.
What you lose in precise measuring that hamop78 does will be gained by using ten times as much water and bleach, so your results should be as accurate as his. But you don't look as cool!:eek:
Not sure I understand why the need to test bleach? So what if it is not exactly 5.25% or 6%, you will know what you've got once you test your pool. I think there is more variability in the chlorine demand of the pool than there is of the bleach.
cleancloths,
Bingo.
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Originally Posted by cleancloths
The original problem was that the concentration wasn't listed on the bottle....and there's a huge difference between 3% bleach and 6% bleach when it comes to amounts needed and lugging that many bleach jugs around!
Janet
Also, when you buy "12.5%" liquid chlorine at the pool store, it may be as high as 14.5% or it may have been sitting around. In which case, it could now be only 10%, or even only 6%.
Or YOU could have had LC sitting around and you want to know how strong it still was.
So you might be adding "12.5%" and measuring accordingly and only getting half the bang for the buck.
I dunno...it makes sense to me as an occasional test. I first came up with these formulae because I had to test my own LC in the big blue carboy and wanted to know just what I had.
Here's another:
I bought several 5 gal. carboys of 12.5& last summer and I've still got one unopened that's been in an unheated garage. I'll be testing it to see how it stands now.
That's what I don't get. Why test it? Wouldn't it be much easier to dump a gallon (or half gallon or whatever makes sense in your pool size) in the pool, wait 15 minutes, and then test your pool water (as you probably do once a day or so anyway), and see how the addition affected your pool water? You can very easily estimate what percentage of chlorine the bleach was using bleachcalc from that. Certainly to an accuracy that's more than adequate for our purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Is testing your bleach an interesting exercise? Sure. Is it necessary? Nope. Is it even helpful? Not very. And it is more hassle than the alternative.
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Originally Posted by KurtV
Then don't do it. Seriously. Everybody has their own way of doing things. If this doesn't suit you, don't do it.
Me, I prefer to know what I'm dumping into my pool before I dump it in. I prefer to know how much I need to get the effect I want. But that's me and that's my pool.
If it doesn't suit you or your pool care system,
then just don't do it.
Sorry, Carl. I thought we were having a discussion about how to test chlorine strength, how accurate that testing is, and the usefullness and efficacy of such testing.
I think I was advocating the traditional poolforum position; that pool care should be effective, simple, and affordable.