King Technology Pool Frog system AND green pool

Got it. Slow and Steady on the Chlorine to avoid the copper coming out of solution and staining the pool.

I will have to order some Polyquat. Not only is may POP dropping, but the family members are getting restless as well. I may have to use the full chemical name to avoid the side long stares I may get from peers and relatives.

Wife almost took me off pool duty after seeing I was adding borax to the pool to increase pH. I then educated her on the problems of using soda ash and explained that borax is the same thing as pH UP but just not as strong and not as expensive. Hooray for science!

as far as the POP relief- I disagree with your assertion that Mojitos are not part of a solution. Once consumed they are *in* solution in your blood chemistry ;) Hey-oh!

Woot! I just made a chemistry joke!

Thanks again for the reply. I will check back once I have vacuumed 3-4 times.

I have to say I love this site. I really feel like I understand why I am doing what. Up until this week pool chemistry was a complete mystery. Thanks for maintaining all this info.

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Originally Posted by Winicott

Once consumed they are *in* solution in your blood chemistry

Woot! I just made a chemistry joke!

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;) Well, you're one up on me: I don't know any chemistry jokes, and only one physics joke.*


* A really bad physics joke: What does a quantum duck say? "Quark, quark, quark." You can groan, now.

Groan!

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Originally Posted by Watermom

Groan!

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Yes it is groan-able, but honestly I don't care if he speaks Klingon, as long as BBB and this site helps me get the pool clear.

Lots of vacuuming and lots of testing and lots of filter cleaning. Getting there.

pH has dropped to 7.2 from high of 7.5. Is this fluctuation normal? I thought that by adding chlorine pH would increase?

Do specific trees make the pool more acidic? In the garden I use Oak leaves to make the soil more acidic. Oak tree shadows the pool in the AM.
I am still cloudy, but water is blue.

POP is still low. I opened pool to family. Waiting on K2006 test kit to arrive. I want to test CYA so I know how high I can run FC. I am on the slow and steady program to prevent copper staining. How long does this slow and steady last? Copper be D&mned! We want clarity! :)

Called pool store to see if I could get a test to monitor FC at levels of 10-15 ppm so I could shock (POP is .03ppm) and maintain levels for 3-5 days to finally get to clear. Pool store person told me that
1) You will burn the liner!
2) You have phosphates!

Both of which I know to not be true based on the info I learned about here. Hooray Science & Thanks PF crew.

I imagine any issues I will have with the liner are due to not keeping the pH above 6.8 (which is where it was when I opened).

ALSO Wife said she was impressed that the water looks as nice as it does considering that in some years the water never looked as good as it does now.

I got some polyquat at the local pool store. Put in 2 bottles. Water more cloudy now than before. What happened?

2 possibilities:

1. The polyquat has clumped stuff together, so it's easier to filter -- but also easier to see.

Solution? Run the pump & filter 24/7.


2. You had some mystery pool-store goop in the water that you hadn't mentioned, but that was anionic in solution (negatively charged on the big portion of the ionic pair). Polyquat is cationic and isn't compatible with anionic products. Some 'flocculants' fall into this category.

Solution? Run the pump & filter 24/7 . . . but it will take longer.

This morning there is sediment on the bottom and slightly less cloudy. This supports your polyquat clumping assertion. I will vac to waste and continue to run filter 24/7 today and keep on keeping on.

I am also cleaning the filter every 12 hours.


This season I accidentally let the RV antifreeze pump into the pool. Other posters indicate this is not a big problem (not that it is a help either). Other than that there is no pool store goop.

Thanks for the reassurance.

Glad there is some improvement today.

By the way, I think you have overstated your volume in your signature. I also have a 27ft AG. The volume is more like 17-18K gallons. It would be a good idea to make that change. We need an accurate volume when giving chemistry advice especially.

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Originally Posted by Watermom

Glad there is some improvement today.

By the way, I think you have overstated your volume in your signature. I also have a 27ft AG. The volume is more like 17-18K gallons. It would be a good idea to make that change. We need an accurate volume when giving chemistry advice especially.

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You are right! I left out some important info.

I slope into a flat deep end that is 5' 6" or so that I think accounts for the greater volume. My geometry is not that hot. So I did some searching.

I went here to get a better answer: http://www.online-calculators.co.uk/...ndervolume.php

I figured the average radius of the deep end is 10' when you figure in the slope and the step off shelf with a depth of 1.5'. This came to about 471 cubic feet. The volume of that in gallons is about 3525.

27' pool at 4' (according to google & Watermom) is 17100. I am sure this varies depending on water level.

That puts me at about 20600 gal.

It is kind of a weird volume since I feel that I always need to go slightly over what they ask for when treating for 10k gal at a time. I suppose since it is so close I would be better off to just think of the thing as 20k gal.

By the way, I put in 1 1/4 bottle of Polyquat, not 2 bottles.

Thanks Watermom for prompting me to "get to the bottom" of this *Snicker* (I think I just made a math joke) :)