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Hi,
My husband and I are considering purchasing a vinyl, polymer wall in-ground pool. We think we have narrowed it down to Kafko, Pacific, Regatta and Ft. Wayne Pools. Does anyone have any feedback regarding any of these brands of pools?
Also, we are thinking that we want a heater and an automatic pool cover. However, the price for the cover is half the price of the pool that we are looking at. Any opinion on whether this is worth the price?
Thanks!
Michelle
our pool is almost complete. Our pool builder uses Kafko. We have a steel wall pool. A 14 X 28 Oasis. Right now, we are filling it up as we speak. We have gray curved steps and a gray contour swim out in the deeper end. So far, all is well...except that puir builder took a long time. Its been about 6 weeks so far cause they have been busy. We built our own inground about 3 years ago. I would NEVER do that again.
Dear Georgiapoollover,
Thank you for your resonse. It sounds like paying the extra 15K to 20K is worth it to NOT build your own pool!
Why did you choose Kafko? I understand you are using galvanized walls, but overall, why Kakko? Did you research other brands?
We used Ft Wayne on the 1st pool. It was a great kit and the install and builder were fine. We moved to a farm and are getting ready to build the 2nd pool. I think this time we are going to ask for a Pacific kit, as we like the shapes better. Both kits use ribbed polymer walls. (no rust) In Tennessee, the metal walls rust behind the liner.......
I think Ft Wayne and Pacific are part of a bigger single company.
Last time we used a Tara liner and it was also great. We used the B-B-B method and it did not fade at all.
Is the idea of an automatic cover because you want one of those covers that an elephant can stand on?
or because you think a solar reel might be difficult for you?
Automatic covers are often "pretty" & I have no idea if the last well or have malfuctions much, ( I suppose amount of use & weather/temp conditons would factor),
but you would save a fortune by going with a fence and a good solar cover & reel.
I'm only an average height ( or a bit shorter) woman and I have no problem rolling & unrolling my cover. I have a Lazy "L" pool & have to fold over the cover in the deep end to almost half the pool ( folding past the diving board), in order to make the big turn... this makes the cover much heavier ( or rather, bulkier) & yet it still takes less then a minute to do this & wind-it-up.
unrolling is just as easy.
imo, cranking the handle twenty plus times is worth saving the thousands of dollars that a fully-automated cover costs... ( bet I can get the cover on & off faster than most automated systems as well...lol)
, but that's just my opinion :-)
ps- as for heaters... heat pumps save you dollars in the long run!
Automatic covers are expensive - BUT, we have a 2-year old, a 5-year old, and a 7-year old. Our worst nightmare is one of our kids drowning. We are also told that we will save a considerable amount of money in chemicals, water (evaporation), and heat. (That's what the sales guys said...)
We anticipate the cover being opened when the kids want to swim - then, if they decide to go ride bikes, the cover is closed; they want to swim again later in the day, we open the pool, they want to go on the swingset - the cover closes.
These are our thoughts, however we know that hindsight is always 20/20. What do you all think?
I have an automated opaque (tan colored) pool cover and find it to save a lot on chemicals (chlorine) and heating. Our pool is solar heated, but we use a propane gas heater to assist and extend the season a month on either side (mid-April to mid-May and mid-October to mid-November). My own experiments showed that without the cover, the pool would lose about 6 degrees at night starting from 88 degree water with night air temperatures in the low to mid 50's (during the part of the season when gas-assist is needed). With the cover on, I measured only a 3 degree loss so it apparently cuts the heat loss in half. I have been told that a solar cover would do better, possibly twice as good so that I'd only lose 1.5 degrees or maybe 2 degrees, but I cannot confirm that (it's hearsay). During the summer when the nights are a bit warmer (in the high-50's to low-60's) we lose about 2 degrees overnight with the cover on and 4 degrees with it off.
We also live in an area where water is relatively expensive at a marginal rate of $4.86 per ccf (hundred cubic feet) or $0.65 per hundred gallons. The cover significantly reduces the amount of fill water that is needed to replace water lost from evaporation. In fact, most of the reduction of heat loss also comes from this reduction in evaporation since evaporation is how most heat is lost (not from direct thermal transfer). Our high water rates and occassional water rationing are why we use a cartridge filter so we never backwash.
My chlorine usage is less than 0.5/day and this is primarily due to the cover, mostly due to blocking the sunlight (UV) during most of the day except for when we are using the pool. Between my wife an I, we have the pool uncovered for use around 12-14 hours per week.
We use an automated cover vs. a solar cover primarily because my wife is handicapped (had polio as a child and often uses a cane for walking) so rolling and unrolling the cover would be too hard for her. Our cover did have some deterioration and cracked along one edge where it folded over possibly from being too loose, but we had that replaced under warranty which was free for the first 3 years (then pro-rated thereafter up to 7 years, so we had it replaced just before the 3 year period was up) though we did have to pay for the labor for replacement ($500? if I recall correctly). We got a slightly (1") smaller cover this time and it doesn't appear to have the "edge fold" problem so we'll see if we can get at least 5-7 years out of this one before replacing it.
Overall, the automated cover is great, but it is expensive (several thousand dollars initially, then about $1500 or so for a new cover every 7 years or so). If you want greater efficiency plus the advantage of having a clear cover help solar heat your pool and you don't mind the manual labor and want to save money, then a solar cover is a better bet. In our case, we didn't have much choice, but we're very happy with our automated cover.
Richard