My Super Pump has died; what should I get?

[bry14661]

my Hayward super II froze up. I need a new pump

[Watermom]

You'll need to give some information for someone to be able to advise you.

1) What kind of pool is it and what is the volume?

2) What size and kind of filter do you have?

Supply the requested info and then hopefully, someone can offer you a suggestion.

Welcome to the Pool Forum!

[bry14661]

Thanks for the response. Here is what I have. Can you make it so I can post this in the main pump forum to get more attention please?

Here's the info I have. Salt pool. Not sure how many gallons, I would say maybe 12-15,000. I posted a picture so maybe someone here could guess for me. its 3 feet deep in the shallow end and 5.5 feet deep in the deep end, sloping the whole way. I don't know what I need for a pump but im looking at the most cost effective pump I can get with consideration of price. What I mean is if a VS pump will cost be $50 a month and $900 upfront and a 2 speed with cost $60 a month and only $200 upfront then ill go with the 2 speed you can recommend to me. I would also like to know where you recommend purchasing the pump from to get the best prices. Any information you can provide is greatly appreciated. Also the pump is setup on 220 with 2 breakers powering the pump and salt system.

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[Watermom]

I am not the pump expert around here so I can't really help you pick out a pump. We are working really hard to get new members processed. It takes time. You can scroll through the 'Getting Started' section where this thread is and see how many new members we have had in just the last couple of days who we are trying to wade through. Sorry it isn't quick but we are doing the best we can.

To keep your pool from turning green while you wait on a new pump, you can pour in some bleach and stir it around with a clean broom or oar or something. Two summers ago, we had a huge derecho storm come through where I live. 85% of the people in my state lost power, including me. My power was out for a full week and we had temps in the 100s all week. I obviously couldn't run my pump nor could I vacuum. I removed all the debris that the storm blew into the pool and kept the pool from turning green by doing just what I suggested to you --- pouring bleach in every day. It worked. I still had clear water when the power finally came back on a full week later.

[bry14661]

Excellent, thank you for the suggestion! Like I said I don't mean to be naggy and yes I see you have a lot of new memebers. I had to scroll to the bottom of the second page just to find my post that was less than 24 hours old! Thanks for your hard work Watermom.

[PoolDoc]

I'll respond tomorrow about the pump.

For now, and until you get a pump, put a gallon of PLAIN 8% bleach in every evening. If you can't do that tonight, put one in in in the morning, and another that evening.

[bry14661]

I have been reading about a lot of single speed pumps as well. It seems as thought all of the manufactures are saying that they have increased the efficiency of their single speed pumps as well. Is this just lip service or are they on the same level of energy usage as my old super 2?

[PoolDoc]

Here's what you want:

Either a 2 speed Super Pump with a toggle switch (~$500)
Hayward SP2607X102S Super 1hp Dual Speed Pool Pump (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00212EI58/scouscho-20/)

Or a VS Super Pump with a surge protector (~$750)
Hayward SP2600VSP Super Pump VS Variable-Speed Pool Pump (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00C6BD8YQ/scouscho-20/) @ Amazon
Intermatic PS3000 Pool and Spa Surge Protective Device (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00I506Z3S/scouscho-20/) @ Amazon

If you have a LOT of thunderstorms & lighting in your area, you should ALSO get this:

Intermatic IG3240RC3 120/240 VAC Surge Protective Device (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007PCUASS/scouscho-20/)

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The electronics on VS pumps is sensitive to lightning related voltage surges. You should NOT install ANY VS pump in Florida or other areas with lots of lightning, without installing a pool rated surge protector: replacing the electronics tends to run 80% of the cost of a new pump.

Either pump will save you money and be MUCH quieter. If you install the surge protection with the VS pump, both pumps should be reliable and long lasting. I'm not sure whether the VS pump will save more once you figure the additional cost, but it is more efficient.

Both pumps should fit directly into the space you have. If you get these unions and this pipe dope:
Spears 497 Series PVC Union with EPDM O-Ring, Schedule 40, 1.5" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009F3KSOG/scouscho-20/)
Rectorseal 31631 1/4 Pint Brush Top Tru-Blu Pipe Thread Sealant (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0012YO0Z4/scouscho-20/)
you should be able to do a drop in replacement. I'd recommend getting 3 unions, unless you are skilled at PVC fittings; it's pretty easy to get glue into the union joint and ruin it. Remember to cut out about 3/4" to make space for the additional length the union will add. Buy PVC cement AND cleaner locally, but get a US brand like Oatey, Rectorseal or Weld-On.

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Do NOT get a Pentair pump: Pentair has drastically slashed the warranty on consumer purchased and installed equipment!


Continue to chlorinate daily.

Hope this helps.

[PoolDoc]

Looks like your piping may step up to 2" on the discharge side. Here's the union for that:

Spears 497 Series PVC Union with EPDM O-Ring, Schedule 40, 2 inch (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009F3KTMM/scouscho-20/)

[PoolDoc]

Is this just lip service or are they on the same level of energy usage as my old super 2?

I haven't seen that, but since they haven't changed the 'wet ends' the only change that they can make is in motor efficiency. Changing that isn't going to produce a visible improvement in your electric bill.

Nothing they can do with motor efficiency approaches what's already been done with motor speed: on low speed, a pump ALREADY moves 1/2 as much water for about 1/6 the electricity (300% efficiency increase). With a VS pump, you get BOTH the very large efficiency improvement from speed changes and the maximum efficiency improvement from motor changes. (A VS pump motor is the MOST efficient electric motor you can currently get on a pump).

[bry14661]

Here's what you want:

Either a 2 speed Super Pump with a toggle switch (~$500)
Hayward SP2607X102S Super 1hp Dual Speed Pool Pump (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00212EI58/scouscho-20/)

Or a VS Super Pump with a surge protector (~$750)
Hayward SP2600VSP Super Pump VS Variable-Speed Pool Pump (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00C6BD8YQ/scouscho-20/) @ Amazon
Intermatic PS3000 Pool and Spa Surge Protective Device (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00I506Z3S/scouscho-20/) @ Amazon

If you have a LOT of thunderstorms & lighting in your area, you should ALSO get this:

Intermatic IG3240RC3 120/240 VAC Surge Protective Device (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007PCUASS/scouscho-20/)

-------------------------------

The electronics on VS pumps is sensitive to lightning related voltage surges. You should NOT install ANY VS pump in Florida or other areas with lots of lightning, without installing a pool rated surge protector: replacing the electronics tends to run 80% of the cost of a new pump.

Either pump will save you money and be MUCH quieter. If you install the surge protection with the VS pump, both pumps should be reliable and long lasting. I'm not sure whether the VS pump will save more once you figure the additional cost, but it is more efficient.

Both pumps should fit directly into the space you have. If you get these unions and this pipe dope:
Spears 497 Series PVC Union with EPDM O-Ring, Schedule 40, 1.5" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009F3KSOG/scouscho-20/)
Rectorseal 31631 1/4 Pint Brush Top Tru-Blu Pipe Thread Sealant (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0012YO0Z4/scouscho-20/)
you should be able to do a drop in replacement. I'd recommend getting 3 unions, unless you are skilled at PVC fittings; it's pretty easy to get glue into the union joint and ruin it. Remember to cut out about 3/4" to make space for the additional length the union will add. Buy PVC cement AND cleaner locally, but get a US brand like Oatey, Rectorseal or Weld-On.

-------------------------------

Do NOT get a Pentair pump: Pentair has drastically slashed the warranty on consumer purchased and installed equipment!


Continue to chlorinate daily.

Hope this helps.

This helps A LOT!! thanks a bunch.. I guess my only remaining question at this point is do I need BOTH surge devices listed? I mean I guess I would say I have a pretty good amount of lightning in my area. I mean it is Tampa Bay after all. Is there one unit that can do what both of those do individually?

[PoolDoc]

The pool one will protect your pump.

But putting one in the house will do set up another level of protection AND help protect stuff INSIDE your house, like TV's and computers. But, it's optional. The one for the pump is the priority.

Keep in mind that surge protectors die doing their job: you need to inspect after a bad storm. If it's dead, you have to replace it: it did what it was supposed to do.

[bry14661]

So I have ordered the pool surge units but im still trying to shop the best pump size. I was way off on my gallon estimate. According to this equation...

Oval Pools - Multiply full width x full length x average depth x 6.7 = gallons
Oval Pools - 11' x 24'x 4' x 6.7 = 7075

Does this change the pump I should get? also I was looking online at the Hayward site and noticed they have 4 different VS pumps.
SuperPump®VS
EcoStar®
TriStar® VS
MaxFlo VS™

I cant seem to find comparable information on their site to see which one would suit me best now knowing my actual gallonage. Do you recommend anything different knowing the information that I have found. Thanks again!

[PoolDoc]

Don't get the Tristar or Ecostar -- both are much bigger than you need.

Either the SuperPump or the Maxflow will work, but I'd suggest the SuperPump. The Maxflo is optimized more for fountains and so forth.

By the way, if you do buy from Amazon, please use the links here. PoolForum gets a small commission when you do so, but it doesn't change your price at all. Also, if you buy from Amazon, be ready to install as soon as you get the pump. That way, it can be up and running BEFORE the 30 day Amazon return window expires. You'd still have the Hayward warranty, but it's much easier to return to Amazon. The defect rate on the Hayward products is pretty low (I can't recall ever having to return a Hayward pump, filter or heater for a warranty defect), but it does happen.

Of course, if you buy elsewhere, you can ignore all that.

Good luck!

[CarlD]

How long did your pump last?
My first Superpump 2spd (the one Ben named) lasted 10 full seasons. I replaced it with another figuring that was a good, long life, and it was my d*** fault for storing it in my unheated shed rather than my warm, dry basement. They run about $500, plus the power cord (I made a new one).

[bry14661]

How long did your pump last?
My first Superpump 2spd (the one Ben named) lasted 10 full seasons. I replaced it with another figuring that was a good, long life, and it was my d*** fault for storing it in my unheated shed rather than my warm, dry basement. They run about $500, plus the power cord (I made a new one).

I had a Hyaward super 2 and it lasted 7 years and it froze up during operation. It does go year round since this is Florida.