My pool pump motors hate me

[Straightleg]

Bought my pool 10-12 years ago. I installed it. Then put a friends pool in same time. Mine is 33ft, he only had room for a 20ft.
Bought packages came with the same sand filter and motor size from watsons.
He is on his second motor.
I am on my 5th motor. First motor lasted 2-3 months took it back they gave me another. I put all my pump, filter and parts in heated basement over the winter.
That motor lasted a couple of years then noisy, to noisy to sit next to pool.
Next motor 2 years, noisy bearing went bad.
Getting to the point this hayard motor is one season old with my new xtreme cartridge filter. Opening my pool yesterday, Motor is super loud, it is one season old and it was stored in my unheated garage over the winter.
When I take a motor off, will have to put a new one on while the old one gets rebuilt or i throw the darn thing in the garbage. I have a rebuilt motor on my delta unisaw tablesaw that is 23 years old What is up with these pool filter motors.
What do I do. My pool pump motors hate me.



SL

[Watermom]

My pool pump motors hate me.
Your last sentence made me laugh! I'm sorry I can't help with this one but someone will be able to. Just wanted to say thanks for the chuckle! :)

[Straightleg]

Your welcome...

I have tried 220 volt, inground pool pump, 3 different 110 pumps, sand filter, now hayward xstreme 150, with 1.5 hp motor that came with it.
I have all 1 1/2 lines, maybe 12 ft total, pump is right next to pool. Heavy duty clear plastic lines 3ft from 1 1/2 line to intake and return.

I need a quite motor, so I can leave my windows open at night.

I need info before I buy anything else. I think I have around 28,000 gallons of water

Thanks
SL

[mas985]

What pump model do you currently have?

I think the Matrix came with that filter but I want to make sure. That is normally a fairly reliable pump so there must be something about your installation that is causing issues with the pump. Can you post a picture of your setup? Is there anything unusual in your setup?


I need a quite motor, so I can leave my windows open at night.This assumes you actually need to run your pool at night. Given most pools can get away with less than 4 hours of run time per day, you could just choose a run time not at night. But also a two speed would really help the noise factor because you can run on low speed most of the time.

[Straightleg]

In the past, I have run 24/7..If I did not then algae would start forming on the bottom. I was not doing the bbb, so hope this makes a difference. Will go out now and take photos.
I have a very good electrician run my electric to pool for me

SL

[Straightleg]

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Set up and electric



SL

[mas985]

Usually algae is more of a chlorine issue than a run time issue. If you were using trichlor (pucks) before and the FC level was too low for the CYA level, which happens a lot with pucks, then sometimes circulation can help a little but you are much better off getting the FC/CYA level correct than trying to solve the issue with pump run time.

[Straightleg]

Well on a new system now...Be nice to turn it off 12 hours or so a day. What do you think of my set up. Why am I going through so many motors. Does water get into those bearing that easy, or what ever is making me replace so often.

Thanks
Gerry

[nefretrameses]

My pump does not need the attention you describe. The guy I use to rebuild when I need it pointed out some rust on the bottom side of the motor housing due to a small leak. He said the rust deforms the housing and pushes the motor armature/ bearing plate out of line. It doesn't take much rust to do it because the tolerances are pretty close. Does your motor get wet? Can you see any rust?

[mas985]

Most pumps protect the bearings from moisture but that one looks like it might allow some water to get into the bearing area which really shortens the life of a pump. The matrix is a bit more shielded.

http://www.aquapoolstore.com/images/pool-pumps/Power-Flo-LX-Internal.gifhttp://www.poolmart.com/pimg/matrix.jpg

[Straightleg]

Most pumps protect the bearings from moisture but that one looks like it might allow some water to get into the bearing area which really shortens the life of a pump. The matrix is a bit more shielded.

http://www.aquapoolstore.com/images/pool-pumps/Power-Flo-LX-Internal.gifhttp://www.poolmart.com/pimg/matrix.jpg


SO what kind of pump should I buy, and what size?
I have read some post to only filter my water 4 hours a day.

Just trying to get it right this time. Tired of buying pool motors

Thanks

[mas985]

There are a couple pump lines for AG pools that I would recommend:

Hayward Matrix
Pentair OptiFlo
Pentair Dynamo

3/4 HP to 1 HP two speeds

I think all are good pumps but I think the Matrix is a slightly better housing design that protects the bearings from moisture a bit better than the other two.

[Straightleg]

There are a couple pump lines for AG pools that I would recommend:

Hayward Matrix
Pentair OptiFlo
Pentair Dynamo




I think all are good pumps but I think the Matrix is a slightly better housing design that protects the bearings from moisture a bit better than the other two.








Thanks so much, really appreciate it.

Is there a link here to buy through amazon?

SL

[Pappy]

Here's the Amazon start page link.
http://poolforum.com/amz/

[Straightleg]

Here's the Amazon start page link.
http://poolforum.com/amz/




Thanks

[Straightleg]

Most pumps protect the bearings from moisture but that one looks like it might allow some water to get into the bearing area which really shortens the life of a pump. The matrix is a bit more shielded.

http://www.aquapoolstore.com/images/pool-pumps/Power-Flo-LX-Internal.gifhttp://www.poolmart.com/pimg/matrix.jpg




I bought this pump, through this site. 1 hp model.
I have 1 1/2 inch pipes.
How much water will it turn over on low per hour?
How much water will it turn over on high?

I looked in the directions, could not find GPH in the directions or on the pump


Thanks
Gerry

[mas985]

It doesn't matter how much water will "turnover". Pump run time should be mostly independent of turnover or flow rate.

The reasons to run a pump and the time taken to do it:

Chlorination/circulation - Manual dosing ~ 30 min, SWGs require more time.

Skimming - Most skimming occurs in the first hour, after that only what falls in the pool.

Auto Cleaner - I find only 1 hour per day is required but you may not even have one so this is not even a consideration.

So mainly pump run time is just to get the debris out of the pool and not much more. Chlorination and circulation can happen pretty quickly.

I have a 20k pool and run for 1 hour on high and 3 hours on low speed per day but that is mainly because I have an SWG. In terms of turnover, that is less than a 1/2 turn per day.

You might want to read the pump run time study article in my sig.

[Straightleg]

It doesn't matter how much water will "turnover". Pump run time should be mostly independent of turnover or flow rate.

The reasons to run a pump and the time taken to do it:

Chlorination/circulation - Manual dosing ~ 30 min, SWGs require more time.

Skimming - Most skimming occurs in the first hour, after that only what falls in the pool.

Auto Cleaner - I find only 1 hour per day is required but you may not even have one so this is not even a consideration.

So mainly pump run time is just to get the debris out of the pool and not much more. Chlorination and circulation can happen pretty quickly.

I have a 20k pool and run for 1 hour on high and 3 hours on low speed per day but that is mainly because I have an SWG. In terms of turnover, that is less than a 1/2 turn per day.

You might want to read the pump run time study article in my sig.




Thanks
I read this once when I first joined, and forgot you had this posted.

After reading your pump information, I set my timer to run 1 hour from 5-6am so I can clean the basket before I leave for work;
1 hour from 3-4 pm when I get home from work.
1 1/2 hours from 8-9:30 pm when I add my chemicals.
3 1/2 hours a day on low speed....


Keeping my numbers right, will see how that works out.



Thanks
Straightleg