chlorine vanishes

[CharlieB]

first off i use calcium hypochlorite shock and trichlor tabs and have an 18,000 gal pool. my pool has been beautiful with crystal clear water. tuesday early morning hours we had aprox 6 inches of rain overnight and into the daytime. tuesday morning before work i noticed a residue that appeared to be the beginning of yellow algae(which i had in the spring and subdued with the bromine yellow algae treatment and all has been good for three months) in a spot on the pool bottom. we let a total of six inches of water out to accomodate the rainfall. tuesday night i shocked the pool with 24 oz of shock and all was well. on wednesday afternoon the pool was a deep blue green and you could barely see the drains. we used two packs of the yellow algae treatment and the pool looks great. here is the problem. I came in friday evening and the chlorine was zero. shocked the pool again. saturday morning the pool is clear and the chlorine is about 10ppm. checked it saturday night and it is zero again. I put 3 tabs in the chlorinator and turned it to full tonight and shocked it again. the water is clear. what is causing the chlorine to dissipate so quick?
thanks

[waterbear]

The chlorine is disappearing because you have something growing in the water that it is fighting. The sodium bromide is just a band aid, not a cure. I suspect that your CYA levels are way too high for your current FC level. If you could post a full set of test results it would help us determine just what is going on.

[PoolDoc]

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[CharlieB]

I had my water tested to back up my tests this morning. confirmed FC 3.9%, ph 7.0, TA 34, cya 100, total hardness 133. chlorine is now holding steady. bought 25 lbs sodium bicarbonate to raise the TA. water is now crystal clear. have not useen any more signs of the yellow dust on the steps for several days.

i guess it was the excessive rain.....

[PoolDoc]

i guess it was the excessive rain.....

The only reason rain causes algae is that it causes pool owners to ignore their pools. ;) Chlorine is just as effective at destroying algae spores when it's raining, as it is when the sun is shining!

[CharlieB]

i'm through....

[PoolDoc]

i'm through....

????

[kelemvor]

I had my water tested to back up my tests this morning. confirmed FC 3.9%, ph 7.0, TA 34, cya 100, total hardness 133. chlorine is now holding steady. bought 25 lbs sodium bicarbonate to raise the TA. water is now crystal clear. have not useen any more signs of the yellow dust on the steps for several days.

i guess it was the excessive rain.....


It's worth mentioning that with a CYA of 100 you need your chlorine to be between 8 and 15 to be effective. Also, most (all?) tests do not register above 100 for CYA so your cya level could be significantly higher. If you just drained off 6" and replaced it with rain, and you're still registering 100, it's a safe bet it's well above. I would stop using the trichlor pucks (these add CYA to the water) and try to figure out what your real cya level is. AFAIK there is only one way to actually reduce CYA levels and unfortunately that is do a partial drain and refill with fresh. Alternatively you can try to compensate for the high cya by maintaining correspondingly high chlorine levels.

To test for CYA > 100 with the Taylor kit you should be able to mix your pool water sample 50/50 with fresh distilled water, then run the CYA test and multiply the result by two; assuming it's not over 200 that should get you a reading you can work with.